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Maryann Fitzgerald/Crowley, baptised June 1870 St Finbarr's South
« on: Tuesday 19 December 17 13:35 GMT (UK) »
The baptismal record for Maryann shows her parents as William Crowley and Jane Hosford, but with the surname Fitzgerald.  Jane would have been 45 years old with eight children already.  Did Jane give the child to her daughter, Anne Crowley, married to George H Fitzgerald, to look after or was Maryann Anne's daughter anyway.  Anne and George Fitzgerald had a son, George, in 1875 who was baptised at St Finbarr's South too.  I cannot read what is written in the left hand column of the register and wondered if someone who is more familiar with Catholic records has any ideas.  Many thanks
Stuart, Scott, Crowley, Hosford in Cork, Limerick, Tipperary Ireland

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Re: Maryann Fitzgerald/Crowley, baptised June 1870 St Finbarr's South
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 December 17 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Not certain but possibly ...
"bap cond"   abbrev for baptized conditionally.

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Re: Maryann Fitzgerald/Crowley, baptised June 1870 St Finbarr's South
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 December 17 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Anne Prudence CROWLEY m George Henry FitzGERALD on Dec 24 1868 in Carrigaline
Civil reference CORK 1868 Q1 V20 P49 - not yet online

It is possible that Mary Anne was brought to the church by her grandparents for baptism especially as their are no sponsors' names given - it could be that the parents names were omitted.

I don't immediately see a civil birth record for Mary Anne (1870) or George (1875)

they also had a Mary Jane bap Jul 15 1877 as born Jun 27 1877 for whom there is no obvious civil record also LINK
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Maryann Fitzgerald/Crowley, baptised June 1870 St Finbarr's South
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 December 17 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone.  I have the marriage certificate for George Fitzgerald and Anne Crowley, and I too cannot find any registered births on irishgenealogy.ie for any children.  I had not found the baptism of Mary Jane either.  It seems odd that if Maryann was Jane and William's child that she would be baptised as a Catholic as they were married in a Church of Ireland Church and all their other children were also baptised there, even though Jane had been baptised as a Catholic as was George Fitzgerald. Maybe the term 'conditional baptism' means that Anne and George were unable to present the child for baptism themselves, so it was done by the grandparents who did not know whether she had already been baptised.   Perhaps I will never find the answer to this complicated question!  Thanks to all for the extra info.
Stuart, Scott, Crowley, Hosford in Cork, Limerick, Tipperary Ireland

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Re: Maryann Fitzgerald/Crowley, baptised June 1870 St Finbarr's South
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Just as a thought what occupation was George Henry FitzGERALD?
If he was in the British Army the children may have been registered on Army records and be on UK returns rather than Irish. Unusual but possible.
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Maryann Fitzgerald/Crowley, baptised June 1870 St Finbarr's South
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 13:25 GMT (UK) »
My great aunt Anne was only 16 and a Protestant when she married George who was 20 years older and a Catholic.  The only witnesses at the wedding were Anne's father and the Church Sexton.  The obvious reason was a shotgun wedding but I cannot identify any children born about 1868 with certainty.  George was a commercial traveller, specialising in tea, with an address in Cork City, although they later moved to Dublin where George hailed from originally.  He died there in 1892 and Anne moved back to Cork where she died in 1898.  I don't think George would have been in the Army therefore, but thanks for the thought - it often pays to think outside the box!
Stuart, Scott, Crowley, Hosford in Cork, Limerick, Tipperary Ireland