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Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« on: Wednesday 20 December 17 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Apologies in advance for the poor quality of the photograph.

However, they say the best camera is the one you have with you at the time, unfortunately in this case it was an ageing mini-iPad at the time I was shown some documents and photos, one of which was this tintype, presumably of some of my ancestors.

If anyone can help date the photo, together with any other useful observations however small, will all help in identifying the possible names. I am unable to provide any further information than what is shown here, only to say that it would have been taken in the Staffordshire Potteries area or immediate vicinity.

Lawrence
Curzon, Wilshaw, Simcock, Barker, Bailey, Churchman

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Just photo enhancement attempt 

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello Microscopia,   I am not an expert, just an amateur observer but it looks like a mother with
her 2 daughters.  She is holding the hand of the girl beside her and the girl in the rear has her
hands on the shoulders of the 2 in front of her, so all are likely to be related.  Both girls are dressed similarly and the jabot style tie at the neck of the dresses will possibly indicate the era
the photo was taken, late 1860's or early 1870's maybe.  Lovely photo.

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 21:36 GMT (UK) »
loord74 thanks for the photo enhancement, it certainly reveals their facial expressions more.

Jen Itís amazing how someone else notices things that another person does not, or takes for granted, like the hands on the shoulders you mentioned - thanks for your observations and suggested date.

Lawrence
Curzon, Wilshaw, Simcock, Barker, Bailey, Churchman

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 December 17 06:33 GMT (UK) »
Another version.
I agree with Jen about the date and relationships. And the girls appear close in age, only a year or so apart, could even be twins.
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 December 17 11:05 GMT (UK) »
Definitely 1870's. Tintypes weren't universally popular & were short lived so I would suggest early-mid decade. It might also be worth mentioning that these were positives as there was no negative used so the image is in reverse.
It's possible this was taken in a booth rather than a studio.
This is how they would have looked.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 December 17 21:53 GMT (UK) »
Peter thanks for the Info and photo enhancement. I like the wallpaper effect!

Jim1 thanks for explanation about the tintype photos and narrowing the date down a bit. This has also narrowed down the identity to a particular family.

It's looking good for a match, but before I'm completely happy with it, an approximation of their ages would be appreciated (I am terrible at judging female ages). If these estimations tie in with the ages given on the 1871 Census for the family I think they're from, then I will be reasonably satisfied about the identity. I won't give the family name and address on the 1871 Census until afterwards, as I wouldn't wish to influence their age estimations ;)

Lawrence
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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 December 17 23:45 GMT (UK) »
Because of the damage/fading in the photos, leaving little detail/texture, it is difficult to judge the mother's age. I'd guess about 30, but if you needed her to be a young 40 that wouldn't be impossible. The girls, based on size, I'd say 10-ish, give or take a year or so.
Hope this is of some help.
Peter
Convicts: COSIER (1791); LEADBEATER (1791); SINGLETON (& PARKINSON) (1792); STROUD (1793); BARNES (aka SYDNEY) (1800); DAVIS (1804); CLARK (1806); TYLER (1810); COWEN (1818); ADAMS[ON] (1821); SMITH (1827); WHYBURN (1827); HARBORNE (1828).
Commoners: DOUGAN (1844); FORD (1849); JOHNSTON (1850); BEATTIE (& LONG) (1856); BRICKLEY (1883).
Outlaws: MCGREGOR (1883) & ass. clans, Glasgow, Glenquaich, Glenalmond and Glengyle.

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 December 17 10:25 GMT (UK) »
The children I would say are about 10 & 12.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/