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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #9 on: Friday 22 December 17 10:36 GMT (UK) »
I would go with Jim's estimate...give or take a year.
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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #10 on: Friday 22 December 17 16:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to everyone for the help given so far.

As promised here is the family, or rather part of the family, I believe is shown in the tintype photo.

Other supporting evidence, not previously given, is that the photo along with other documents and another photo, which I will be shortly posting on the forum were shown to me as being the effects from my late Uncle, who along with my late Father were Grandsons of Richard Simcock & Elizabeth Wilshaw (the older Daughter who I believe is seen standing behind her Mother in the tintype photo. See also marriage cert. below).

I may of course be completely wrong with this, but I believe the tintype photo was taken approx. 1872 and shows the Mother, Mary Ann Wilshaw (nee Curzon) age 39, and two of her Daughters, Charlotte Wilshaw (seated) age 9, and Elizabeth Wilshaw (standing) age 11. All of course give or take a year.

Elizabeth Wilshaw (standing) eventually married Richard Simcock (see marriage cert below) and were parents to my Grandmother (Martha Anne Simcock) and a Son named William Simcock. The tintype photo was accompanied by a memorial headstone photo and another photo (which I previously mentioned) of William Simcock who emigrated along with some of his other Sisters to the USA in the 1920's, where he was eventually buried.

These are the Census records for this family (note the age discrepancy for James Wilshaw):

1861 Census: Stanley Moor, Bagnall, Staffordshire
James Wilshaw.  Head.  Married.  Age 37.  Boatman.  Born Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Mary A Wilshaw.  Wife. Age 28.  Born Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Mary A Wilshaw.  Daughter.  Age 2.  Born Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire
Joseph Bailer.  Servant.  Age 11.  Servant.  General Servant.  Born Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire

1871 Census: Waterfall, Endon, Staffordshire
James Willshaw.  Head.  Married.  Age 38.  Labourer at Iron Works.  Born Norton, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Willshaw.  Wife.  Age 38.  Born Norton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Willshaw.  Daughter.  Age 10.  Born Norton, Staffordshire
Charlotte Willshaw.  Daughter.  Age 8.  Born Norton, Staffordshire
Jane Willshaw.  Daughter.  Age 6.  Born Norton, Staffordshire
James Willshaw.  Son.  Age 2.  Born Norton, Staffordshire

1881 Census: Baddeley Green, Norton in the Moors, Leek, Staffordshire
James Wilshaw.  Head.  Married.  Age 58. Occ. Lime Burner  Born Stoke on Trent
Maryann Wilshaw.  Wife.  Married.  Age 50.  Born Shelton High Street
Jane Wilshaw.  Daughter. Age 15.  Born Stanley Mop, Staffordshire [Probably Stanley Moor]
James Wilshaw.  Son.  Age 12.  Born Stanley Mop, Staffordshire [Probably Stanley Moor]

Note: Difficult identifying Maryann's correct first name as it's scribbled over and re-entered. It could be Maryann or Marion. This was where their daughter Elizabeth Wilshaw, Age 21, resided at the time of her wedding to Richard Simcock.

Marriage Cert: 12 April 1880: Parish Church, Norton-le-Moors, Stafford
Richard Simcock, Age 25, Bachelor, a Sticker, Resident at Common St., Shelton. Father's Name: Charles Simcock a Well-Sinker.
Elizabeth Wilshaw, Age 21, Spinster, Resident at Baddeley Green. Father's Name: James Wilshaw a Labourer.

Witnesses: James Mollart & Mary Mollart [See 1881 Census where John & Mary Mollart ages 63 & 66 resp. lived next door but one to Elizabeth Wilshaw's parents at Baddeley Green]

So here's the real test - if the tintype photo shows the Mother, as being Mary Ann Wilshaw (nee Curzon) at the age of 39, then she must be the same person as shown in the other two pictures, estimated to be some 11 years later when she was about 50 years old - what do you think?
Curzon, Wilshaw, Simcock, Barker, Bailey, Churchman

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #11 on: Friday 22 December 17 17:24 GMT (UK) »
I'd say it was the same lady..It's the nose :)
stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,
james,
 nottingham,pollard,grice,
derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.
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Has anyone seen Henry Atcherson Carson,born Canada 1844?

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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #12 on: Friday 22 December 17 17:48 GMT (UK) »
Sounds reasonable to me.
In the Potteries of course there was no shortage of fine artists who could do these portraits.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #13 on: Friday 22 December 17 18:38 GMT (UK) »
It's a yes from me.
Carol
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Re: Staffordshire Potteries Area Family - Tintype Photo
« Reply #14 on: Friday 22 December 17 19:39 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your help, it's greatly appreciated.
Merry Christmas! :)

Lawrence
Curzon, Wilshaw, Simcock, Barker, Bailey, Churchman