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Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« on: Wednesday 20 December 17 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone
I have today returned to a 'brick wall' which, as I've just realised, was the subject of my very first post to RootsChat! Here it is:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=629498.0

To summarize, I have Elizabeth Ann Jewell marrying a James Burns on 9 October 1887 in Stoke Damerel. She is 20, he is 24. Her father is Thomas Paul Jewell, his 'father' is given as Mary Burns (see post for reasons for this). I have a certified copy of their marriage certificate and these are definitely my husband's ancestors. I also have a certified copy of the birth certificate of the only child I can find, Stephen Owen Burns, born 25 July 1889, Stoke Damerel, father James Burns, rivetter, mother Elizabeth Ann Burns, nee Jewell. I have death and burial records for Stephen Owen Burns, died 10 January 1892.

After this, I can't find anything about what happened to Elizabeth and James, absolutely nothing! I have tried all kinds of permutations, taking advantage of my world subscription to FindMyPast, but that brick wall is still there!

For those of you kind enough to read this, and to plough through the original post, I am still of the opinion that on the 1891 Census, William S, Elizabeth and Stephen are the right family, and that William S is a mistake, and that Newcastle and Sunderland have been mixed up when giving his place of birth.

Thank you to everyone who contributed to the original post and for your invaluable help in chipping away at the wall.

If anyone can suggest any other avenues I can pursue, or if you have any ideas of what I can do next, I would be very grateful. Thank you! 8)
Jewell - Devon, Cornwall and Manchester
North - Somerset, Devon, Dorset, Cardiff and Warrington
Rowe - Devon, Dorset
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 20:30 GMT (UK) »
BuRNS, UNA  VIOLET     JEWELL  1888  J Qtr in STOKE DAMEREL  Volume 05B  Page 329

Baptised durham late 1888

BURNS, STEPHEN  OWEN  JEWELL  1889  S Qtr in STOKE DAMEREL  Volume 05B  Page 317
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 20:37 GMT (UK) »
Wow thanks Pauline, will investigate further! Transcribed as Ute Violet Burns on FindMyPast!! >:(
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North - Somerset, Devon, Dorset, Cardiff and Warrington
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 21:16 GMT (UK) »
I've now found a baptism for Una Violet Burns, 7 October 1888 Sunderland, father Jacobi Burns, mother Elizabeth Joe Burns. ::) Ignoring the transcription errors this makes sense as James Burns was born in Sunderland. Not found anything else yet. I think I'll attempt to move this thread to the Durham board.
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North - Somerset, Devon, Dorset, Cardiff and Warrington
Rowe - Devon, Dorset
Oliver - Somerset

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 21:52 GMT (UK) »
Oh no! I've now found a death for a Violet Burns, Sunderland, 1891 age 4, on FS. And still no sign of James and Elizabeth.
Jewell - Devon, Cornwall and Manchester
North - Somerset, Devon, Dorset, Cardiff and Warrington
Rowe - Devon, Dorset
Oliver - Somerset

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Violet on 1891 in Sunderland? Annie Carter is nee Burns

William Carter    35
Annie Carter    34
Owen Carter    11
Hannah Carter    9
Catherine Carter    6
Georgina Carter    4
Julia Carter    2
Violet Burns    3 [added - niece]

RG12, 4144, 20, 39

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 December 17 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Wait, I'm a little bit confused. If I've read correctly, you are saying that your husband is a descendant of Stephen but also that Stephen died as a child?

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 December 17 09:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Mabel, I think that Annie must be James' sister? It looks like something must have happened to Elizabeth and James for Violet to be with the Carters, but what?

Ayashi, sorry for the confusion, it's all a bit complicated! My husband is a descendant of Elizabeth's brother, Stephen Richard Jewell. I'm just looking for Elizabeth Ann as she is Stephen Richard's only sibling.
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 December 17 11:41 GMT (UK) »
If your census entry is correct, Violet was with the Carters at the same time that your family were wherever they were, so they'd all be alive at the same time. It might not have been that anything happened to them, it might have been that Violet was unwell and got left behind when the family continued onwards, especially if she subsequently died.