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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 21 December 17 20:44 GMT (UK) »
1881 - 44 South Johnston St
    
Mary Burns    40 - glassmaker
Mary Burns    22
James Burns    20  - glassmaker
Patrick Burns    15  - glassmaker

RG11, 4987, 24, 42

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 21 December 17 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Mabel, the 1881 fits with the service record, James' next of kin was his mother, Mary Burns, address 44 (New) Johnston Street, (I think that 'New' and 'South' are probably one and the same?), and it also fits with the marriage cert with James' mother being a glassmaker. It looks like James joined up in 1884 and was posted to Raglan Barracks in Devonport, where he met Elizabeth Ann Jewell. In his service records it says that upon medical discharge in 1888 he was returning to Johnston Street, Sunderland, but his mother was deceased by this time, according to the marriage cert. I wonder why he didn't return to Stoke Damerel (Devonport)? And so who is William S Burns living with Elizabeth and Stephen Owen on the 1891 Census?
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 21 December 17 21:23 GMT (UK) »
1881 - 44 South Johnston St
    
Mary Burns    40 - glassmaker
Mary Burns    22
James Burns    20  - glassmaker
Patrick Burns    15  - glassmaker

RG11, 4987, 24, 42

 :) I had that but for some reason chose to ignore, is that the 1871 family?
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 21 December 17 21:34 GMT (UK) »
Patrick - mmn Hall

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 21 December 17 21:38 GMT (UK) »
It's the Mary 22 on 1881 that I cannot work out?
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 21 December 17 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Me neither, but the ages are a bit to pot. It's not Ann - she's married by then. 

Apologies - on 1881 Mary snr is not  glass blower, that's the person above her. However there are many in the street, so assume she may well have taken up the occupation

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #24 on: Friday 22 December 17 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for everyone's input so far. Mabel, can I please just ask how you know that Patrick's mother's maiden name is Hall, because this could tie the families from the Census with James' service record, and increase the certainty of what happened to James. To summarize, we have Owen Burns and family on the 1861 Census, living at 5 Railway Row, and, living with them, is Isabella Hall, aunt, so she could be a relative of Mary Burns? The family is still at 5 Railway Row in 1971. If the 1881 Census is of the same family, which seems likely, despite the discrepancies in ages, this ties in with James' service record, because we know his mother lives at 44 South Johnston Street, which is where the family are living according to the 1881 census. We also have the links with the name Owen, the fact that James twice says he's a Miner, and the glassmaker link. So, barring a few loose ends, we might have found out about James. The only remaining mystery is Elizabeth Ann!
Jewell - Devon, Cornwall and Manchester
North - Somerset, Devon, Dorset, Cardiff and Warrington
Rowe - Devon, Dorset
Oliver - Somerset

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #25 on: Friday 22 December 17 15:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, re birth registration of Patrick Burns, he could/looks to be Patrick Cunningham Burns March qtr 1865 Sunderland v10a page 473 mmn Hall
Julia Burns Dec qtr 1856 Sunderland 10a 332 mmn Hall
Ann Burns Sept qtr 1854 Sunderland 10a 305 mmn Hall
Only one at present I have trouble finding is Mary J in 1861 census aged 9 b Sunderland, their is a Mary Jane BURN March qtr 1851 Sunderland v24 373 No Mothers maiden name, is she the Mary aged 22 on 1881 census?

Marriage of Owen Burns to Mary Hall anyone?
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #26 on: Friday 22 December 17 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi keyboard86, Owen is transcribed as Owen BURN, rather than BURNS on 1861 Census, so Mary Jane BURN could be our Mary Jane? The date seems to fit?
Jewell - Devon, Cornwall and Manchester
North - Somerset, Devon, Dorset, Cardiff and Warrington
Rowe - Devon, Dorset
Oliver - Somerset