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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 21 December 17 13:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ayashi, my mind is getting fuddled with all this! Obviously James (aka William S?) and Elizabeth Ann and Stephen Owen were in Stoke Damerel for the 1891 Census.  ???
The trail only goes cold after Stephen Owen's death in 1892.
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 21 December 17 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Whilst I too cannot find James and Elizabeth together on census after 1891, his army service record states he was still alive in 1930 with regard to pension.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 21 December 17 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi so are James and Annie the children of Owen/Mary Burns:-

1861 census

Owen 30
Mary 26
Mary J 9
Ann 7
Juiia 4
James 2
Isabella Hall 54 Aunt
Census ref RG09/3767/21/42
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 December 17 16:05 GMT (UK) »
It looks very likely keyboard86, names, ages, location all fit. It's strange that James doesn't acknowledge his father on his marriage certificate though?
Annette, interesting to see that James is alive in 1930. So....where has he been hiding I wonder? And where is Elizabeth?
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 21 December 17 16:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi again so I know I am looking at the correct Service Record is James b 1862 Sunderland occ Miner?
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EDIT James Burns 1859 Sunderland mmn Hall, James Burns 1862 Sunderland mmn Carroll
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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 21 December 17 16:53 GMT (UK) »
1901 has a Jas Burnes (as transcribed by Ancestry, image is Burns) in a lodging house in Sunderland. Aged 40, married, b Sunderland, occupation riveter, ships. Ref  RG13, 4705, 57, 12

Seem to remember Stephen Owen's father was a riveter

There's also a death in Sunderland in 1919 of a James Burns b c1860

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21 December 17 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, yes that 1901 appears correct, shown as James Burns 40 b Sunderland Married on FindMyPast, so is the Army Record for another James? Re the two births of James Burns c 1859 and 1862 above, the 1862 James is aged 8 in 1871 census:-
RG10/5021/67/39 as BURN

Owen Burns to Mary Carrol March qtr 1862 Newcastle T 10b 155
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EDIT The 1861 above family in 1871 census:-

Mary 38 Widow
Anne 17
Julia 15
James 13
Patrick 5
Mary Jane 1
Census ref RG10/4998/76/40

PS Without going through all of your previous link was their not some reference to Glass?

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 21 December 17 18:45 GMT (UK) »
Looks like by the next census James is in the workhouse - transcribed as Bivans on Anc. and Bevans on FindMyPast, still shown as married.

It's looking as if Elizabeth could have left him and took up with someone else perhaps.   Husband James describes himself as 'Married' in 1901/1911 but with no trace of Elizabeth as 'Burns' anywhere.   

As stated earlier, James was still alive in 1930 per army record.

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Re: Elizabeth Ann (nee Jewell) and James Burns
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 21 December 17 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Annette, ok but the marriage certificate on the other thread suggests possibly no father for James but a deceased Mary? Burns occ Glassmaker or similar.
The 1859/62 births suggest both a Mary but not a Glass anything?
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EDIT Their is a James Burns death 1933 Sunderland 10a 758 aged 72?
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