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Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« on: Thursday 21 December 17 16:29 GMT (UK) »
I have searched everywhere in an effort to learn more about James Coleman of Ballybentrah who married Mary Agnew of Donegore Hill in 1810.    The marriage was listed in Walker's Hibernian Magazine.   Does anyone have any additional information regarding this couple?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Barb Agnew Miers

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Re: Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 December 17 18:40 GMT (UK) »
1862 John Coleman has map reference 4 in Ballybentragh Grange of Nilteen     Antrim
36 acres good sized house valued at 5 pa, it could be the same John who has 30 acres of land from the same landlord in plot 9 Dunadry townland nearby. see http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/
 
his sucessorsare be in PRONI continuation sheets. https://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/ImageResult.aspx
 Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/1/17C (1881 - 1893)
shows property 4  John Coleman crossed out with two changes
1st change unreadable by me   best guess  Catherine Longboard
2nd change Alexander Lawther
references at end say 82,90,91 ie 1882,1890,1891

https://www.emeraldancestors.com/
1850    John  COLEMAN Marriage Margaret    
1855   John  COLEMAN   Eliza Ann  Emmerald     Antrim   Antrim


Tithes Applotment Books 1823-1837 based upon the work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
index for each parish in Northern Ireland online.  The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
Coleman, Jno.-Townland: Dromore Year: 1834-Rasharkin-Antrim
Coleman, John-Townland : Loughhill Year: 1832-Killagan-Antrim
Coleman, Robt.-Townland : Ballyclosh Year: 1825-Portglenone-Antrim
Coleman, Saml.-Townland: Dromore Year: 1834-Rasharkin-Antrim
Coleman, Thos.-Townland : Ballygomartin Year: 1826-Shankill-Antrim
Coleman, Thos.-Townland: Ballygoland Year: 1835- Carnmoney-Antrim
Coleman, Thos.-Townland: Ballygomartin Year: 1826-Belfast-Antrim
Colman, Andrew-Townland: Ballytweedy Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Colman, E.-- Townland : Curcullintra More Year : 1828-Drumcree-Armagh
Colman, James-Townland: Carmavey Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Colman, John-Townland: Carmavey Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Colman, Samuel-Townland: Ballysculty Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Colman, Samuel-Townland: Ballytweedy Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Colman, Willm.-Townland: Lisnalinchy Year: 1835- Ballylinny-Antrim

Repository :   Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference :   D509/2104
Level :   Item
Access :   Open
Title :   Lease of 19 acres 2r. 37 per. I.P.M. for
Dates :   1 May 1823
Description :   Lease of 19 acres 2r. 37 per. I.P.M. for 61 years (See D509/1231) - Consideration: £110 - Rent: £8.10s. 4½d. p.a. plus fees of Most Hon. George Augustus, Marquess of Donegall to John Coleman, Ballybantra, Co. Antrim relating to Ballybantra, Co. Antrim.
   
Repository :   Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference :   D652/880
Level :   Item
Access :   Open
Title :   Lease for 3 lives renewable for ever. Rent
Dates :   1 November 1824
Description :   Lease for 3 lives renewable for ever. Rent £16. (Grain Clause, Rent of 10/- per annum per acre if sown with corn or grain). Marquis of Donegall to James Blow, Esq., Dunadry, Henry Adair, Esq., Loughanmore, Geo. Letham, Esq., trustees of John Coleman, Jr. 30 acres 1 rood in Dunadry, formerly held by Wm. Walker, deceased.
this suggests Dunadry should not be overlooked as a ancestral home

wills list
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE
Full Abstract :
The Will of John Coleman late of Ballybentra County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 23 April 1881 at same place was proved at Belfast by John Waters of 20 Victoria-street Belfast Land Surveyor and Catherine Jane Coleman of Ballybentra Spinster the Executors.
running out of time
so I suggest any way forward is familysearch.org


 the last and most important parish records
see www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf
DONEGORE, CO. ANTRIM
C.I. Donegore (Connor diocese)
[Formerly united with Kilbride] [Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin]
Vestry minutes, 1818-71.
Baptisms and burials, 1878-.
P. 1st Donegore
Baptisms, 1806-96; marriages, 1806-1916; marriage notices, 1887- 2002;committee minutes, 1896-1951; communicants’ roll, 1871-91.
P. 2nd Donegore
Baptisms, 1848-1957; marriages, 1845-1936; marriage notices, 1891-2001; session minutes, 1847- 73 and 1933-72; committee minutes, 1891-1976; communicants’ roll, 1892-1933.

perhaps you could try same sources for Donegore Hill  or search the mary agnew family in more depth
goodluck you have done well already onwards 
Some of the John above might even be grandson with same first name
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Re: Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 December 17 16:29 GMT (UK) »
checking just for James Coleman
in the tithes for all ireland
produces the one above james of Carmery Killead
Coleman, James-- Townland: Boconnell Year: 1834-Seagoe-Armagh
Coleman, James-- Townland: Silverwood Year: 1834-Seagoe-Armagh
Coleman, James-Townland: Claggan Year: 1826-Banagher-Derry
Colman-James-Cavan-Haynestown-Kildare-
Colman-James-Cavan-Haynestown-Kildare-1833
Colman-James-Brinabeg-Kilkeevin-Roscommon-1832
Colman-James-Anticle's Farihy-Killagholehane-Limerick-1828
Colman-James Ben-Gartavacouch-Abington-Limerick-1826

later in 1843 http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/
Coleman, James, of Coleman & Dobbin, residence, 76 Donegall Street.
Coleman, James, gentleman, 25 Lancaster Street.
 
so I went back to earlier directories
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1819_Alphanames.htm
1819
Coleman, James, tide waiter, 49 Prince's Street
Coleman, James, watch & clock maker, 88 North Street
Coleman, J. H., music master, Salt Water Bridge

www.ancestryireland com has a James   Coleman   b1790    father John   but in Co Down
a will 1862 has a James Coleman of 26 Canning street leavinh hiss possessions to children and ason from a previous marriage  see https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=162049
another
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of James Coleman late of Fortwilliam-park Belfast Retired Merchant deceased who died 3 April 1879 at same place were granted at Belfast to Jane Patterson Coleman of Fortwilliam Park Belfast the Widow of said deceased.
mentions his widow jane

I have a problem in searching familysearch.org currently
but cant connect any of the above to your James
has anyone else got suggestions or more orderly lines of research
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Re: Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 December 17 16:36 GMT (UK) »
my postscript
church records for Donegore include in the church guide Public Record Office of Northern Ireland
DONEGORE, CO. ANTRIM
C.I. Donegore (Connor diocese)
[Formerly united with Kilbride] [Earliest registers destroyed in Dublin]
Vestry minutes, 1818-71.
Baptisms and burials, 1878-.
P. 1st Donegore
Baptisms, 1806-96; marriages, 1806-1916; marriage notices, 1887- 2002;committee minutes, 1896-1951; communicants’ roll, 1871-91.
P. 2nd Donegore
Baptisms, 1848-1957; marriages, 1845-1936; marriage notices, 1891-2001; session minutes, 1847- 73 and 1933-72; committee minutes, 1891-1976; communicants’ roll, 1892-1933.
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Re: Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for all your effort.  This will certainly be helpful.   Happy New Year!   Barb

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Re: Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 31 January 18 05:34 GMT (UK) »
For the purposes of elimination I have some information on one James Coleman, though not the right generation.

The Coleman family that connects to my Barron family (more than once) is that of Samuel Coleman b c1780 of Ballytweedy. His son James William Coleman b c1831 died 4 Dec 1912, married Jane Hanna daughter of William Hanna and Mary Barron.

Another son of Samuel, Matthew Coleman b c1834, married Margaret Barron younger sister of Mary above.

Samuel and family are in the 1851 census.

As an aside I noted that Ballyaltikilligan listed Gracey as his name of interest. I have recently been in touch with 2 other Gracey researchers as my current research on my mother side includes the family of my gt grandmothers brother Robert Clarke who married Martha Gracey, daughter of Robert Gracey from Rathfriland. They married in Australia in 1883.




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Re: Coleman-Agnew marriage 1810
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 February 18 14:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

The Colemans of Ballybentra were buried at Donegore.  There are two flat tablets more or less beside each other – one for the family of John Coleman (c1760-1837) and the other for James Coleman (c1757-1822).  Both were of Ballybentra and I’m guessing they were brothers, though I’ve no proof.

Erected
by AGNESS COLMAN in memory
of her Husband
JAMES COLMAN
late of Ballybentra who departed
this life the 1st day of June 1822
aged 65 years.
Also their Son THOMAS who departed
this life …. June 1843 aged 23 years.
the above AGNES COLMAN departed
this life the ??th Decr 1852 aged 72 years.
Also AGNES COLMAN daughter of
JAMES and AGNES COLMAN
…………….? Aged 36 years
Also ELIZA ANN LAWTHER
Wife of JOHN COLMAN of Ballybentra
…………………………………. 1862
aged …………..
Also JOHN COLMAN of bally-
bentra ……………………… April 1881
aged 68 years.
And his daughter MARGARET M. COLEMAN
Died 21st December 1938 aged 78 years
ELIZABETH ANN LAWTHER (IZA)
Died 12 March 1981 aged 89
Daughter of the late
Alexander & Catherine Jane Lawther.

Belfast Newsletter, 31 Dec 1852   
Dec. 14, at her residence, Ballybentra, Agnes, relict of the late Mr. James Coleman, aged 73 years.

Belfast Newsletter, 27 Sep 1856   
September 12, at the house of Dr. Ferguson, Doagh, Agnes, youngest daughter of the late Mr. James Coleman, Ballybentra.

Belfast Newsletter, 19 Feb 1839
On the 8th inst. by the Rev. Samuel Alison, Donegore, Mr Wm. R. Waters, Parkgate, to Jane, eldest daughter of the late Mr James Coleman, Ballybentra.

One of the witnesses to the above marriage was a Samuel Agnew.  I think it is probable that Mary Agnew was James Coleman’s first wife.  Unfortunately these two Coleman baptisms at 1st Donegore Presbyterian don’t list the mother’s name:

James, son of James Coleman, Ballybentra – baptised 20th Aug 1813
Agnes, daughter of James Coleman, Ballybentra – born 31st Jan 1820, baptised 28th Feb 1820

Gilby