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Offline Helina

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Help with William please
« on: Friday 22 December 17 08:19 GMT (UK) »
William Edward Horne born 1872 Derby. Parents Thomas Horne and Mary Ann Jacques,
Siblings
Clara b 1876
Thomas b 1879
Harriet b 1880
Albert b 1882
John b 1885
Ethel b 1890
Gertrude b 1894

Now the problem

I have been checking the Mother's maiden name on the GRO site and while the other children have Jacques as the Mother's surname William has Hutchinson.  Looked to see if the father Thomas had married before can find no record, same for the Mother Mary Ann. They married in 1876 Derby.

Any help would be appreciated

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 December 17 08:51 GMT (UK) »
This is entirely speculative but the names John Horne and Ellen Hutchinson appear together  in Derby marriages, June quarter, 1871. Is it possible the William Edward was their child and subsequently "adopted" by Thomas and Mary Ann?

In 1881 he is in the same household as Thomas and Mary Ann but recorded as grandson of head of household.

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 December 17 10:23 GMT (UK) »
Could be Brentor,  I'll do some research to see if Thomas had a brother called John.  Thanks

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 December 17 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Thomas's parents were called John and Maria Horne (Maria's maiden name was Blore) They had 5 children
John born 1850 married to Ellen Hutchinson, with William staying with his Grandparents in 1881 was the confusion as other members where also staying.

Thanks for your help.

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 December 17 13:44 GMT (UK) »
Are you sure that the 1872 birth registration is your William Edward Horne, there are other birth registrations in Derby reg district for children with those parents surnames

HORNE, ALICE       mmn HUTCHINSON     
1874  Dec Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 446

HORNE, JOSEPH  VALENTINE     mmn HUTCHINSON     
1876  March Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 559
   
HORNE, LAVINIA       mmn HUTCHINSON     
1877  Dec Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 512

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 December 17 13:52 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 December 17 13:58 GMT (UK) »
In 1881 Census John and Ellen Horne are living in Derby with Alice and Joseph Valentine plus Emma M age 3 and George age 3mths. Lavinia (down as Levinia) is staying with Uncle and Aunt, Thomas and Elizabeth Gill, in Litchurch. If Ellen is coping with a new baby it is possible she has sent some of her children to stay with relatives, which is why William is staying with his grandparents.

What makes you think that William Edward born 4 years before Thomas and Mary Ann married, is their son?

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 December 17 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Sure this is William's family.

Grandparents John Horne 1814-1856, Maria Blore 1816-1885
Parents John Horne b 1850, Ellen Hutchinson
Children
William Edward b 1872
Alice b 1874
Joseph Valentine 1876-1946
Emma May b 1879
George b 1881

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Austin,Bistol
Coole,Bristol
Lewis, Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Howard,Bristol
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
Census information Crown Copyright  from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Help with William please
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 December 17 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Only one way to find out - bite the bullet and purchase the birth certificate!  :-\
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