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Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« on: Sunday 24 December 17 02:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I just wondered if there might be someone who could help me please with an ancestor called Betsey/Betsy Myres dob 1829/1830 Birmingham.

I have copied what I know about her below, I can't find her marriage to Isaac anywhere, or her death, it is as if she vanishes, I have tried variant given names including Elisabeth and Elizabeth. In 1851 she and Isaac have a daughter called Betsey (jnr) and I can find no trace of her in future census records, they also have Betsy's daughter Ann Boyde (whom she had at 13, I am not sure if Boyde is Betsey's maiden name or that of Ann's father) she also vanishes after 1851 - no death registration for either. I can't access the 1861 census where they are at township city Worcestershire England so am not sure if the 2 girls have gone by then. I wonder what happened to Betsey, Betsey and Ann. Isaac is with a Margaret in 1871.

The Myres family are a bit mysterious. Sadly when my great grandma was a little girl, her parents split up, the storey is hazy but I think the father snatched her brother, put him on a train to Liverpool and took him to Canada, which must have been heartbreaking (I understand his mother Louisa never saw her son again). Many members of the family end up in Canada over time, I am not sure who went first. Maybe the vanished people ended up there?

An Arthur E Myres/ A E Myres goes to Quebec in 1909 and 1912 on the  Virginian and Teutonic respectively (not sure if they are the same person). On the 1912 journey he is with an '?? Myres Born ??' - this could be the boy taken (or an illegible entry that couldn't be deciphered on digitising). I have been told he might have been called Chris but I am not sure and I can't find a registered birth for a Myres boy in Staffordshire between 1900 and 1910 that seems to fit the bill, maybe he wasn't born in Staffs like most of the others.

Besty's son Isaac had an Isaac Myres born 1858, who had Arthur Edward Myres (known as Edward) in 1880, who had my g.grandma Florence Maud Myres in 1900 with Louisa Palmer.

Betsey
Birth
1829 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
1829


Birth of Daughter Ann Boyde Miss(1843)
1843 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
1843

13 yrs

Birth of Daughter Betsy Myres Miss(1847)
1847 Worcester, Worcestershire, England
1847

17 yrs

Census
1851 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Union Street

1851

22 yrs

Birth of Son Isaac Myres Mr(1858)
1858 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
1858

28 yrs

Birth of Daughter Rachael Myres Miss(1864)
1864 Dudley, Staffordshire, England

Anyway, the story is really confusing but if anyone can shed any light on any of this at all I would be really grateful.

Best wishes :)
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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 December 17 02:37 GMT (UK) »
Possible marriage
Marriages Sep Q 1849   Same page, but a few others listed

Martin    Betsey        W Bromwich    18   640    
Moyers    Isaac        W Bromwich    18   640    

1871  family are in Walsall
RG10 Piece number 2960 Folio 37 Page 22 (Next door, next page is a Martin family could be related)

St Paul Row, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Isaac   Myers   Head    Male   42   London, Middlesex
Betsy   Myers   Wife   Female   42   Birmingham Warwickshire
Isaac   Myers   Son   Male   13   Wednesbury, Staffordshire
Rachel   Myers   Daughter   Female 7 Dudley, Worcestershire

GRO has her maiden name as Martin

MYERS, ISAAC    Mmn MARTIN     
GRO Reference: 1858  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 668   

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname
MYERS, RACHEL  JULIA  mmn   MARTIN     
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 130   

Likely death
BETSY MYERS
Birth year   1829, Age   42
Death quarter   4
Death year   1871
District   Walsall
County   Staffordshire
Volume   6B
Page   521
 

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Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 December 17 09:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I think Arthur E Myres mother was a Louisa/Lucy
Not sure if this is his family( wife and Daughter) in 1901
3 Coleman Street Woverhampton
Edward Myrs  head mar 21  Railway engine Fitter    Wednesbury,Staffs.
Sarah A   "      wife  mar  20                                    Wolverhampton
Florence M "    dau            1                                      "

An Arthur Edward Myers marries a Sarah Ann Turner JAS 1899 Wolverhampton
New Gro indices with mmn give
Florence Maud Myers  registered JQ 1900 Wolverhampton  mmn Turner
Albert Edward Christian George Myers  registered MQ 1902 Wolverhampton mmn Turner

I wonder if that is where the name Chris came from

Cathy
Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 December 17 10:48 GMT (UK) »
Florence Maud Myers can be found with mother Sarah Ann in last available census.  There is no Albert Edward (son or husband listed) unable to post due to copyright.

Think the 1909 passenger list to Montreal, Canada aboard the Virginian on 30 April from Liverpool is very likely them. With A E Myers is a child A E Myers, no ages given.

Herbert is on 1911 census, which would be half sibling to Florence.

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
WALTERS, HERBERT  GEORGE WALTERS    mmn TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1909  S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON  Volume 06B  Page 602   

Then this marriage, think Sarah reverted back to her Maiden name.

Marriages Dec Q 1913   
Turner    Sarah A   - Walters    Wolverhampton    6b   1255    
Walters    Herbert G    - Turner    Wolverhampton    6b   1255    

So seems Albert & Albert Jnr left before 1911 and Sarah was likely free to marry by late 1913.

The child born in 1909 happened because Sarah was having a relationship with Mr Walters and possibly that was the end of the marriage to Albert, or possibly the marriage had ended earlier.

Just to add - Louisa Palmer was wife of Isaac b 1858.

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Another child of Betsey, which would fit with a 1849 marriage, bapt on familysearch 2 Nov 1851 parents Isaac & Betsey. Abode Wednesbury, father a confectioner.

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
MIERS, MARY  ANN     mmn MARTIN     
GRO Reference: 1851  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 18  Page 605   
 
Death
MYERS, MARY  ANN     age 5     
GRO Reference: 1856  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 384   
 
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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 December 17 11:31 GMT (UK) »
I would think the passenger list you found for two A E Myers is probably correct.
Ancestry has an entry in Canadian Passenger Lists ( I can t access them, I don t have a sub)
Quebec from Liverpool
A E C G Myers

Cathy
Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 December 17 11:44 GMT (UK) »
I would think the passenger list you found for two A E Myers is probably correct.
Ancestry has an entry in Canadian Passenger Lists ( I can t access them, I don t have a sub)
Quebec from Liverpool
A E C G Myers

Cathy

Hi Cath, seems likely them. I don't have a world sub either.

Happy Xmas  :)

ADDED image is available on familysearch, A E Myers is age 30 in May 1909 and an engineer, which would match occ in 1901.  Jnr A E C G is down as Child but no age given on original doc.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6134-1Y?i=14&cc=1823240
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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 December 17 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Found 1861

Image is Myers

Tower Street, Dudley, Staffordshire, England (lodger to the family above?)
Isaac   Magean   Lodger   Married   Male   34   Confectioner   London, Middlesex
Betsey   Magean   Wife   Married   Female   31      Birmingham, Warwickshire,
Betsey   Magean   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   14   Scholar   Worcester, Worcestershire
Isaac   Magean   Son      Male   3      Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England   
William   Magean   Son           Male   3mths Dudley, Worcester


Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
MYERS, WILLIAM    Mmn   MARTIN     
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 118   

Death
MYERS, WILLIAM    Age   1     
GRO Reference: 1862  J Quarter in DUDLEY  Volume 06C  Page 74   
 
       
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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 24 December 17 14:07 GMT (UK) »
There is a large tree on Ancestry for Isaac Myers and family which should help you.

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Re: Myres Staffordshire/Warwickshire Betsey
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 24 December 17 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Isaac a widower, confectioner age 49 remarries on 21 October 1878 to Margaret Clark age 32 a spinster, in Walsall, St John. 

Both of Long Street. His father is Isaac Myers, deseased, occ. sealing wax maker. Witness - James & Emma Whiteley, witness signed, couple both made their mark.

1881 - 72, Lowe Street, Windle, Prescot, Lancashire, England
Isaac   Myers   Head   Married   Male   51   Confectioner   City of London, Middlesex
Margaret   Myers   Wife   Married   Female   35   Warrington, Lancashire
Rachel   Myers   Daughter   Single   Female   17   Gen Serv   Dudley, Staffordshire

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall