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Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« on: Sunday 24 December 17 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Hope someone can help

Looking for the children of Joseph Davies and Mary (Bowen), second great aunts of mine who seem to disappear from the census after 1881/1891.

They were all born Pontyberem/Llannon, some of them ending up in Neath in 1891. I am presuming some got married and/or some may have died, but even with this knowledge I still can’t find them. Someone else may have a connection to them and know of their whereabouts and/or have better search skills than mine

They are

Jane Davies (03 Feb 1872) - may have died early as not in 1881 census
Hetty/Esther(18 May 1873)
Rachel (17 Sep 1875)
Mary ann (10 Apr 1877)
Alice (28 Nov 1878)
Maria (27 Apr 1881)
Eliza/Elizabeth (13 Mar 1883)

In 1881 Hetty, Rachel and Mary Ann are with their parents at Tairhod (later known as Wheel Row) in Glyn Hamlet, Llannon (i.e. Pontyberem).

Joseph dies in 1882 and Mary (Bowen) then marries a George Rees Thorburn in Neath in 1890 (Mary was the sister of George’s first wife Emily/Emma/Emiah Bowen)

In 1891 Hetty (now called Esther), Maria and Eliza (now called Elizabeth) are living with Mary and their step father George at 8 Abernant Terrace, Neath Higher with step brothers and sister; Thomas George Thorburn (marries a Mary Ann George) , William Rees Thorburn (marries and Elizabeth George), Mary Ann Thorburn (marries a John Davies) and David Thorburn (marries Mary “Unknown””). (There is also a younger sister Sarah Jane Thorburn (1866), marries a Griffith Rees Hughes, but not living with them).

Their mother Mary dies 19 Aug 1891 (buried Bethel Chapel, Glyn Neath ) and step father George dies 08 Jun 1895 (buried together with Mary and first wife Emily)

With the fantastic help of Sandra, Ciderdrinker, Millepede, Mabel and others I know Thomas (Tom) George Thorburn emigrated to Pennsylvania and that there is reference to him a Welsh newspaper (in Welsh) “Welsh Newspapers online site shows that Thomas George graduated as Bachelor of Music in 1908 - known as Tom, faithful member of Bethel who joined in all activities, especially singing, left Glynneath in 1897. lost his parents when young and care of the family fell on him. In the US is an eisteddfod adjudicator and leads the singing in the Hyde Park church, Scranton (separate brief english version mentions he has Kidwelly roots”

Although the above mentions Tom looking after his younger siblings, not sure if included his step sisters. There is no indication that they emigrated to Pennsylvania with him. Also no indication that they went to lives with srtp brothers or sisters (that I can find), so flummoxed

Happy Xmas

Roy






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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 December 17 12:13 GMT (UK) »
Doesn't help with your problem - but seven girls under 12  ::)
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 December 17 17:52 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

This is the only Jane DAVIES death in Llanelly 1872 - 1881 that has the right age at death,

Jane DAVIES    Jun Q 1872  Llanelly    11a  450
Age:  0
 

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Daisy
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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 December 17 18:33 GMT (UK) »

Hi,

This is the only Jane DAVIES death in Llanelly 1872 - 1881 that has the right age at death,

Jane DAVIES    Jun Q 1872  Llanelly    11a  450
Age:  0
 

Regards,
Daisy

Thanks. 1 down 6 to go!

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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 25 December 17 19:01 GMT (UK) »

I think Hetty/Esther married a widower Joseph FELTON,


Marriage
Joseph FELTON    Mar Q 1891    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  888
Jannet REES


1891  RG12/4442  f.16  p.14  Penderyn, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire
Chapel Road
Joseph FULTON    Head    23    Coal Miner    Glamorgan  Cwmgwrach
Jennet      "              Wife    23                          Brecknock  Pendyrn

Language Spoken  Welsh



Births
Mary Ann FELTON    Mar Q 1892    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  731
mmn:  REES     

Margaret FELTON    Dec Q 1893    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  687
mmn:  REES    Order 
 
Morgan David FELTON    Dec Q 1895    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  697
mmn:  REES

James Robert FELTON   Jun Q 1897    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  758
mmn:  REES   



Deaths
Morgan David FELTON    Jun Q 1896     Merthyr Tydfil    11a 373
Age:  0

James Robert FELTON   Sep Q 1897    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  417
Age:  0

Jennet FELTON    Mar Q 1898    Merthyr Tydfil    11a  457
Age:  30   



Then he marries Esther.....

Coffee then I'll type up my notes :)

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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 25 December 17 19:30 GMT (UK) »


Marriage
Joseph FELTON    Sep Q 1900    Neath    11a  1296
Esther DAVIES 
 

Birth
Robert John FELTON    Mar Q 1901    Neath    11a  951
mmn:  DAVIES   



1901  RG13/5059  f.41  p.25    Neath Higher, Glamorgan
1 Tanyrheol Cottage

FELTON
Joseph    Head    33    Coal Miner Hewer    (dittoed as)  Glamorgan Neath Higher
Esther      Wife     27                                     Carmarthen Pontyb??m
Mary A     Daur     9                                       Glamorgan Penderyn
Maggie     Daur     7                                            "            "
Robert J    Son    3m                                           "    Neath Higher

All except Robert have "Language Spoken" as Welsh.



Deaths
Robert John FELTON    Mar Q 1902    Neath    11a  559
Age:  1     

Joseph FELTON    Dec Q 1902    Neath    11a  513
Age:  35   


Then she remarries Morgan Evans....

 
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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 25 December 17 20:06 GMT (UK) »

Marriage
Esther FELTON    Jun Q 1903    Neath    11a  1415       
Morgan EVANS


There are a lot of EVANS/DAVIES births in Neath, Carmarthen and surrounding areas so I can't tell which Elinor b.1903/1904 and which David Emlyn b.1908/1909 are theirs.


I lose her after the 1911 census.

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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 December 17 20:34 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic. 2 down 5 to go!

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Re: Missing Davies Children (with Thorburn and Bowen connection)
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 December 17 22:10 GMT (UK) »
Given place of birth on 1911(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JM-SBK) I thin this the most likely birth

EVANS, DAVID  EMLYN      mmn DAVIES
q3 1908 CARMARTHEN  Volume 11A  Page 1337

A little local difficulty in 1917
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4104135/4104138/73/