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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 08:15 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the replies.

George W T Smith was born at 42 Thorne St. His mother Jane Smith was the informant at the same address.

I am not aware of George and Rhoda Teagle having any children of their own. I've just noticed that their address on their marriage cert in 1890 was 1 Thorne St.

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 12:27 GMT (UK) »
I do find it strange.
There was another daughter.
Sibyl Marion Smith
June 1895 Lambeth
mother Simpson

Sybil Smith, 5, born Lambeth, is with her mother Jane Smith (visitor, widow, 42, barmaid, born Woolwich) at 80 Stewarts Road, Battersea, in 1901 (piece 444 folio 147 page 16)
Where was Violet?

Likely school admission for Violet Smith in Lambeth, 28 April 1896
Born 25 Feb 1887, parent or guardian Mrs Jane Smith, address 122 Wandsworth Rd

I haven't been able to find out when Edwin Smith died. The best match before that school record was in Lambeth, but in the March quarter of 1891, just before the census!

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 12:29 GMT (UK) »
Thank you! I had seen Sybil in the 1901 census but hadn't been able to find her birth.

I've just found on the electoral register that in 1894 the inhabitant of 42 Thorne Street was George Thomas Teagle! So they were all living together it seems?

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 12:58 GMT (UK) »
Good find!
It all seems a bit suspicious?

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 13:20 GMT (UK) »
Isn't it just?!

Apparently George Smith always thought that George Teagle was his real father, but he denied it.

It certainly seems possible that he could have been the real father if they were all living together. But then why go to the bother of registering the baby with the Teagle middle name etc and then adopting rather than just admitting from the outset?

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 16:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi
If we agree that the Teagle name being given to George suggests an arrangement, then I find it hard to believe that Edwin Smith was still around at the time of the birth. Why would he want his son adopted?
Whether Edwin was George's his father or not, I couldn't say. If not, then Jane told a bit of a fib when registering George's birth!
Even if Edwin wasn't really the father (and we don't know that!), it doesn't necessarily mean that George Teagle was. What would Rhoda have made of it all?

The problem is that we don't know for sure what happened to Edwin after 1891.
We can add him to an ever growing missing persons list!
Sybil Smith - two school records for her in Wandsworth. Date of birth 6.6.95. Mother Jane at 80 Stewarts Rd.
The second one says that she was withdrawn from school, 14.2.02, In Workhouse

There's a record of her going to the school at Anerley.
In the London Poor Law Records on ancestry
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557

Right hand side, under "Browse this collection"
Borough Wandsworth, Union Wandsworth, record type Register of Children,
scroll down to North Surrey School District, Anerley School: Register of children, 1885-1904
images 361, 362

Are you able to get hold of this?
Because there is some stuff written, may be useful, I think it relates to her but the entries on the pages are a bit cramped up.
John

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 16:26 GMT (UK) »
An aunt, Mrs Simpson, in Lambeth Palace Road, is mentioned.
I think still at Anerley in the census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW8P-YH1

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 17:02 GMT (UK) »
Wow, thanks. I can't decipher all of it but it looks like -

aunt Mrs Budden died
mother J? in Smith went and ??? in 1891 some little time after
aunt Mrs Simpson 43 Lambeth Palace Road

can't make out - Southwark -
husband ? (Edwin?) not heard from him since
lives with a man for some time
left her before birth of this child
? (George?) doubtful if ever married

Wow! Is there anybody who is good at deciphering handwriting who could transcribe this?
 

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Re: Why was my gt grandfather adopted?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Agree that it says that Edwin not heard from - so not necessarily dead, and father of Sybil also left her.

Trying to do a small attachment - no success.