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Thomas and Elizabeth Bashforth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« on: Wednesday 27 December 17 08:27 GMT (UK) »
This one may be insoluble, but anyway, here goes...

Thomas Bashforth marries Elizabeth Hammond 1 April 1810 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2WG-1MW) and they have Sabina (13 Oct 1810), Mary Ann (1817), Ezra (1825) and James (1828) - so she's obviously pregnant when they get married, and has her last child 18 years later.

This much seems to be confirmed by IGI records shown here: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L4BZ-1BP - which also (under sources) shows that the Thomas baptised in 1788, parents William and Martha is NOT a match - despite having a sibling called Sabina. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M5Y9-GMF. I don't know how this was determined, but if this is so, then the only other Thomas which comes near matching is this one, son of William and Mary, baptised 1783, making him about 27 at the time of marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3NM-SZ6.

I skimmed through the GRO death records but couldn't find anything matching a 1783 birth for Thomas.

I can find no Elizabeth Hammond in Sheffield, and although quite a few in Yorks., there's no way of definitively linking one of them with this one.

No Bashforth family matching any of them turn up in the 1841 Census, (not a single Bashforth on FreeCen, and none matching on the Sheffield Indexers database). I had a look around the Sheffield Family History society website but couldn't see anything further.

I looked through GRO deaths for Elizabeth and the most likely ones are these two (none in Sheffield):

BASHFORTH, ELIZABETH        60      
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in BARNSLEY  Volume 09C  Page 79    
Born 1793-4 (marries 16-17)

BASHFORTH, ELIZABETH        66      
GRO Reference: 1854  S Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION  Volume 09C  Page 65    
Born 1788-9 (marries 21, last child 40ish)

The son James is in Cape Town by 1854, marries an English-born woman there (born Richmond, Surrey) and calls his sons Thomas and William and his daughter Ann. No sign of any of his siblings or parents there though, so I am assuming that he migrated alone. Can't see anything useful on FindMyPast or Ancestry searches.

So - have I reached the end of this search, at least online, or are there any sources as yet untapped which could help? The only way forward I can see at this point is to pay for one of those Elizabeth Bashforth death records, but that would be a last resort and I don't know if worth doing, as nothing else seems to add weight to either of them being the right one...
???

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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 10:54 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Bashforth marries Elizabeth Hammond 1 April 1810  and they have
Sabina (13 Oct 1810),
Mary Ann (1817),
Ezra (1825)
James (1828)
- so she's obviously pregnant when they get married, and has her last child 18 years later.

Have you discounted these baptisms at St Peter & St Paul, Sheffield (Cathedral church)
Thomas Bashforth born 2 Dec 1813 bapt 13 Mar 1814 parents Thomas & Elizabeth
Elizabeth Bashforth born 30 Nov 1819 bapt 7 Jan 1823 parents Thomas & Elizabeth (occ Haft presser)
William Bashforth born 12 Apr 1821 bapt  20 May 1821 parents Thomas & Elizabeth (occ Haft presser)
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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:14 GMT (UK) »
Trying to get some background  :-\
Is this your Thomas with a second wife- the occupation matches

1851
Thomas   Bashforth   62 Haft & Scale Presser   born Sheffield   
Eliza   Bashforth   55   bn Tamworth, Staffordshire
Catharine   Bashforth   Dtr 15 bn Sheffield
Frederic   Wall   Step Son   29 bn Chesterfield   
Mary   Wall   Step Daughter   27 bn Chesterfield
Eliza   Wall   Step Daughter   25 bn Ecclesall Bierlow
HO107 / 2336 f51 p7

Thomas Bashford married Elizabeth Wall 18 aug 1834 - both widowed
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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Burial 11 March 1830 St George, Sheffield -Elizabeth wife of Thomas Bashforth age 40 abode Allen Street
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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Family in 1841  -  HO107 / 1334 bk5 f23 p6

Wm Bashforth 26 occ Presser
James 14
Catherine 6
ELIZA 45 (not bn in county)
Elizt 20
Frederic Wall 20 (not bn in county)
Eliza Wall 15 (not bn in county)
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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Have you discounted these baptisms at St Peter & St Paul, Sheffield (Cathedral church)
Thomas Bashforth born 2 Dec 1813 bapt 13 Mar 1814 parents Thomas & Elizabeth
Elizabeth Bashforth born 30 Nov 1819 bapt 7 Jan 1823 parents Thomas & Elizabeth (occ Haft presser)
William Bashforth born 12 Apr 1821 bapt  20 May 1821 parents Thomas & Elizabeth (occ Haft presser)

No - I haven't come across those before, I don't think, and can't see them on FamilySearch now... Where did you find them, Rosie?

I did hit upon a possible family connection with Elizabeth though - IF this is her marrying in 1865 (which makes her 42, a bit old for a first marriage): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D7G-XYW. There is an Alfred Hammond (i.e. her mmn) listed on the record.

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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Burial 4 Feb 1870 All Saints, Ecclesall Bierlow --Thomas Bashforth of Wentworth Terrace -age 81

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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Family in 1841  -  HO107 / 1334 bk5 f23 p6

Wm Bashforth 26 occ Presser
James 14
Catherine 6
ELIZA 45 (not bn in county)
Elizt 20
Frederic Wall 20 (not bn in county)
Eliza Wall 15 (not bn in county)

Ah, okay - those seem to match up with the 1841 Sheffield Indexers' records then:
Bashforth, Catherine of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 6 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 22b, enumeration district 11.)
Bashforth, Eliza of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 45 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 22b, enumeration district 11.)
Bashforth, Elizabeth of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 20 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 22b, enumeration district 11.)
Bashforth, James of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 14 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 22b, enumeration district 11.)
 Bashforth, William of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 26 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 22b, enumeration district 11.)
and
Wall, Eliza of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 16 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 23a, enumeration district 11.)
Wall, Frederick of Upperthorpe, Nether Hallam. Aged 20 years.
    (Piece #1334/5, folio 23a, enumeration district 11.)

- although couldn't find these on FreeCen and haven't yet come across Thomas' occupation anywhere. But I wonder where Thomas was in 1841?

And these seem to match the 1851, with Catherine the extra child, so that burial of Elizabeth Hammond and second marriage to Elizabeth Wall all lines up too. Were they all in Sheffield in 1851?

That's fabulous - thank you so much! I'm in Australia so going to be signing off for the night soon, (perhaps after building a few more records based on the info you've provided first), but that certainly gives this branch a major boost.

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Re: Thomas and Elizabeth Bashworth (born Hammond), in Sheffield 1783-1848
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 11:54 GMT (UK) »
Oh and I've just noticed this 1861 Census record on FS, in Eccleshall:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KL-174
Thomas Bashforth    Head    M    73    Eccleshall, Yorkshire
Eliza Bashforth    Wife    F    65    Tamworth, Staffordshire
Mary Wall    Stepdaughter    F    38    Chesterfield, Derbyshire
Eliza Wall    Stepdaughter    F    35    Eccleshall, Yorkshire
Catherine A Bashforth    Daughter    F    26    Sheffield, Yorkshire

and then the death notice for this Thomas could be that GRO one I previously discounted, here on FS: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2JN2-XPN - Ecclesall Bierlow, aged 81. But that makes him born approx. 1789, which matches the christening of the other William & Martha couple's son called Thomas...???

This is a bit confusing - I will have to see if I can manage to work it out.