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Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« on: Wednesday 27 December 17 14:30 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

TROVE has an entry for the Mount Alexander Mail published on 06/10/1856 which describes Nicholas SADLIER.

I wonder if anyone can expand on that detail with any information after 1856 please

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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 14:48 GMT (UK) »
Nicholas Sadlier who emigrated from Parkhurst Isle of Wight sailed in the vessel Mandarin from Parkhurst 21 June 1843 - his age if alive would be 29 years next November 1856.  He sailed for Hobert Town Van Diemens Land , he learned the trade of a sawyer to go out. Was last heard of at Williams Town. If alive write to William Whitelaw Post office Friars Creek Fryers Tpwn.

6 October 1856

The name crops up but nothing to positively identify him

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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 December 17 21:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tony  :)

There is a marriage for man of the similar name in 1874 in Victoria however on my resource it shows his place of birth as Tipperary. On my index the surname is SADLEIR .  Of course info on the marriage cert may not be accurate if he was attempting to hide his past or it may be another man with similar name.

Cheers  :)
Cando

Edit.  Further research leads me to believe that this is not your person of interest.  Born 1834 Ireland.
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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 December 17 05:04 GMT (UK) »
Is this the same Nicholas Sadlier https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/sadlier/nicholas/133514
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l7d/
Central Criminal Court. Minutes of Evidence, by Henry Buckler. volume XII, Session VII to Session XII
Twelfth session, London and Middlesex cases 1840, see bottom of pg 935 cont. 936 (includes Statements of Joseph Thyer, Elizabeth Thyer and prisoner) http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l7c/
2486 NICHOLAS SADLIER was indicted for stealing on the 12th of September, one value coat 3 and one shawl value 1s, goods of Joseph Thyer....
....GUILTY age 12, transported for 7 years. Convict Ship

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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 December 17 07:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tony  :)

There is a marriage for man of the similar name in 1874 in Victoria however on my resource it shows his place of birth as Tipperary. On my index the surname is SADLEIR .  Of course info on the marriage cert may not be accurate if he was attempting to hide his past or it may be another man with similar name.

Cheers  :)
Cando

Edit.  Further research leads me to believe that this is not your person of interest.  Born 1834 Ireland.

This gives some info about the above Nicholas SADLIER including connections to Tasmania. There are several articles on this family on trove. They seemed to have lived in Vic, Tas, NSW, SA. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/56493050

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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 December 17 08:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Tony  :)

There is a marriage for man of the similar name in 1874 in Victoria however on my resource it shows his place of birth as Tipperary. On my index the surname is SADLEIR .  Of course info on the marriage cert may not be accurate if he was attempting to hide his past or it may be another man with similar name.

Cheers  :)
Cando

Edit.  Further research leads me to believe that this is not your person of interest.  Born 1834 Ireland.

This gives some info about the above Nicholas SADLIER including connections to Tasmania. There are several articles on this family on trove. They seemed to have lived in Vic, Tas, NSW, SA. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/56493050

This is gentleman spells his name SADLEIR not SADLIER.  He is not the convict.

Cando
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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 December 17 10:17 GMT (UK) »
Does anyone understand the significance of this scrawl on his convict record?

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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 December 17 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning Everyone and Best Wishes for 2018,

There are quite a few references to "SADLIER" in TROVE and establishing a connection with the above Nicholas SADLIER is essentially the task.   I did learn that a Nicholas SADLIER sailed from Hobart on 26/02/1846 aboard the Sapphire as a passenger bound for Sydney, though how that fits with the newspaper article is difficult to understand.

Thank you all for your help.   

Afterthought for Cando: "SADLIER" is not such an uncommon name, but, sadly, his convict records do not indicate where he was born except possibly Knightsbridge in London his last known address::)

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Re: Nicholas SADLIER, born 1827/28, Middlesex, England
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 December 17 10:37 GMT (UK) »
It is possible that Nicholas SADLIER was a hired servant, departing on the SAPPHIRE as he supposedly got his Ticket of Leave on arrival
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park3.html
Nicholas SADLIER; term 7yr; age 12; Central Criminal Court; 19/10/1840; larceny; disembarked in TAS; Ticket of Leave on arrival

http://marinersandships.com.au/1846/03/180sap.htm
Barque SAPPHIRE sailed 27th Feb from Hobart Town to Port Jackson 7th Mar 1846
Mr SCRUTTON cabin passenger + 135 hired (steerage passengers) servants from Van Dieman's Land for this colony