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My other brick wall
« on: Thursday 28 December 17 10:35 GMT (UK) »
In November I posted a message about a relative who appeared to have disappeared without trace.  There was such a positive response, leading to not only finding the relative, but also his family that I knew nothing of. I am most grateful to all those who had a hand in sorting them out for me.

I am now looking at my other brick wall, which has defeated me for a number of years. This involves two people - a father, JAMES LAMB and his son, JOHN (JOHN WILLIAM) LAMB.(1862? - 1939)  I will list what I have, and hope that someone can point me in the right direction.

Marriage: 31 December 1884 in Bickerstaffe, Lancashire
John William Lamb and Margaret Cropper (both aged 22 years)
The father of John Lamb is given as James Lamb, occupation Moulder.  There is no indication whether he is still alive at this date.

I have John Lamb on the 1881 census in Bickerstaffe, where he is an apprentice blacksmith.  Place of birth is given as Liverpool. I also have him on all following available censuses up to and including 1911. I have traced in detail the children of John and Margaret and subsequent generations.

John William Lamb - Death: July/Aug/Sep 1939 Age 77 (I have sent for a copy of the death certificate)

I would love to get back in time to John's parents - this is the brick wall, which may lead to finding the rest of the family.

 I may have missed the obvious last time around, or it may be that the information was not available on the internet then.  (It was only looking at the 1939 that led me to suspect I had found my last missing relative, but sadly, John died in 1939 before the register was  compiled).

Any help on this one would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

FS

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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 December 17 11:09 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 census has JW and Margaret (& family) with his brother, George.
Have you tried tracing his brother?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJ7-82K
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJ7-MVP (Previous page ;D)
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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 December 17 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately he does not seem to be linked in any post-marriage census with a brother, helpful though that would have been.  A bad day for the FS transcriber, perhaps.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 December 17 11:29 GMT (UK) »
John really is a mystery pre-1881!

Just to rule out one avenue- I had a look at the 9 yr old John Lamb b Liverpool who appears in 1871 as grandson of John and Hannah Nalty in Cheadle (siblings Jane and Timothy). RG10/3666/118/4.

However, this John, Jane and Timothy appear to be the offspring of Hannah's son by a previous marriage, Timothy Lamb, and his wife Jane Jones (marr 1861).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 December 17 12:13 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 document has John, Margaret and their 7 surviving children. I have traced all 9 of the births, marriages and deaths as appropriate.
No brother George on the document.

Thanks.

FS

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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 December 17 13:05 GMT (UK) »
I'm wondering about the John Lamb aged 9 b Liverpool living at Howey Hill, Congleton in 1871, nephew of Cornelius E Lamb.

There is a school record for him in 1870, and under occupation of parent it states 'Dead'.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFP-VWJ

Unfortunately Cornelius seems to have had several brothers & sisters so tracing them all will be quite a lengthy job.

Added: None of Cornelius's siblings appear to have been named James, unfortunately.
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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 December 17 13:08 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 document has John, Margaret and their 7 surviving children. I have traced all 9 of the births, marriages and deaths as appropriate.
No brother George on the document.


READ previous postings. Look at the household before "your" one on the 1911.
Links were given . What have you traced of the brother George?
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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 December 17 13:33 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 document has John, Margaret and their 7 surviving children. I have traced all 9 of the births, marriages and deaths as appropriate.
No brother George on the document.


READ previous postings. Look at the household before "your" one on the 1911.
Links were given . What have you traced of the brother George?

It is not the next household so probably mistranscribed.  There is no mention on either of 'Brother'
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Re: My other brick wall
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 December 17 16:28 GMT (UK) »
I don't have access to Ancestry, FindMyPast or The Genealogist, but FamilySearch says:

John William Lamb
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name:   John William Lamb
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1911
Event Place:   Brighouse, Rastrick Brighouse, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
County:   Yorkshire (West Riding)
Parish:   Brighouse
Sub-District:   Brighouse
Registration District:   Halifax
Gender:   Male
Age:   48
Marital Status (Original):   MARRIED
Occupation:   BLACKSMITH
Birth Year (Estimated):   1863
Birthplace:   Liverpool, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household:   Brother
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