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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 December 17 18:23 GMT (UK) »
In this case the maternal grandfather was William White who in 1891 was a station officer with the Coast Guard, so it seems a strong likelihood that he is the inspiration for the "father" named in the marriage certificate - and if he and his wife had a hand in her upbringing, perhaps it's natural that she used his details when she married.

Hi avm - I have William in the census for 1871, 1881, 1901 and 1911 but cannot find the entry you mentioned above.  Could you tell me where this one is please?
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 December 17 18:35 GMT (UK) »
The reference for 1891 is RG12/3947/73/25.

Another way of getting there is to search for Madge F White b abt 1887 (she's 4 in that census).

Does that help?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 December 17 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks avm - searching by reference made the difference.  I couldn't find it as the surname had been transcribed as Whili !!!

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #12 on: Monday 01 January 18 00:02 GMT (UK) »
Marriage Certificate: St Philip, Hull
 
When married: 06 December 1899
Name & Surname: James William Wilson
Age: 50
Condition: Widower
Rank or profession: Engineer
Residence at the time of marriage: Blundell Street
Father's name & surname: John Wilson
Rank or profession of father: Blacksmith
Name & Surname: Emily Elizabeth White
Age: 36
Condition: Spinster
Rank or profession: {blank}
Residence at the time of marriage: Charlotte Street
Father's name & surname: William White
Rank or profession of father: Naval Pensioner Chief P.O


By: J Wright Moore, vicar {possibly, the name is not very clear}
Witnesses: William White, Mary Elizabeth Neal

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 12:01 GMT (UK) »
Thank you keeperofthematrix - I will get on to ordering a copy of the certificate.

I guess finding out who Madge's real father was will always be a mystery!

Regards,

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you avm, Bee and keeperofthematrix

Update on the original mystery:

1. Although Emily did marry James Wilson, do you think it is unlikely that he is the father of Madge given the time difference between her birth and the marriage? Therefore, I need to leave that branch of the tree as untraceable?
2. I have grandfather William White now in the census for 1841 and then 1871 to 1911 but not for 51 and 61.
3. I have Emily in 1871 - 1901 and will have a new look under Wilson for 1911
4. I have Emily's parents as William White and Grace Smale Tucker Lane although not sure if I have the correct Grace?
5. I have Madge for 1891-1911 and 1939

Thanks for all your help, time and research - it is much appreciated.

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 12:27 GMT (UK) »
5 Coxside Green Plymouth 1851 census

Lydia White wid 55 widow of officer of coast guard service Plymouth
Lydia 25 dress maker Plymouth
Eliza M 22 dress maker ? Devon
William 10 Padstow Cornwall

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 12:33 GMT (UK) »
1841 census high street Padstow

Ambrose White 40 upwards coast guard
Lydia 45
Lydia above 15
Ambrose 14 groom
Eliza 12
John 6
William 1
Only william jnr  born in the county

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Re: Madge Francis White - Hull - birth cert, father / grandfather mystery
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Ambrose White born 30/5/1797 bapt 19/6/1797 parents Ambrose and Mary ann Wesleyan Morice Street Devonport. Married 1818 Lydia Anthony.

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