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Lancashire Grip
« on: Friday 29 December 17 18:30 GMT (UK) »
Dear Friends,
need help on linguistics, what does the expression "Lancashire Grip" stand for?
It was widely used in the 1800's even in some works of Charles Dickens.
Would highly appreciate any help on that subject.
Thanks in advance.
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Ruslan

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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 December 17 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Could it mean a firm handshake?
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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 December 17 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Could it be a blow :-\  Here it appears to have caused a broken arm 
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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 December 17 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Kay99 on Friday 29 December 17 18:54 GMT (UK)
Could it be a blow :-\  Here it appears to have caused a broken arm 
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I've never heard the term. But reading that, I'd tend to think it might be more like the arm twisted up the back thing that TV police do when arresting baddies.

Have you any further examples of the term's usage, Ruslan?
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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 December 17 19:35 GMT (UK) »

If you grip something you take hold of it with your hand and continue to hold it firmly.

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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 December 17 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Charles Dickens uses it along with famous Cornish Hug (bear hug around the waists) as wrestling holds...but yeah Sandra it makes sense what you are saying - just a firm strong grip which is hard to break, I'd say its generic meaning of it. My concern is whether there was a real wrestling hold under that name...just like Cornish Hug is a generic term as well as actual wrestling hold.

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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 December 17 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Aulus on Friday 29 December 17 19:17 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Kay99 on Friday 29 December 17 18:54 GMT (UK)
Could it be a blow :-\  Here it appears to have caused a broken arm 
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I've never heard the term. But reading that, I'd tend to think it might be more like the arm twisted up the back thing that TV police do when arresting baddies.

Have you any further examples of the term's usage, Ruslan?

That sounds more like a half-nelson (a wrestling term) to me - my brother used to pretend to do that to me when he wanted my sweets or something.  Of course, a half-nelson and a Lancashire Grip could be the same thing. 
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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 December 17 11:12 GMT (UK) »
November 2005

Lancashire GRIP was (and still is) one of thirteen pilot projects monitored by the Youth Justice Board..............

http://www.saferlancashire.co.uk/initiatives/grip/news/news_issue05_nov_05.pdf

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Re: Lancashire Grip
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 December 17 14:55 GMT (UK) »
Yeah there's variety of "nelson" holds (quarter, half, full), those are basically all lethal neck-breaking holds. I don't think they were applicable in "friendly wrestle" on the green sward in the 1800's.
I don't know to me Lancashire Grip should be something like a firm, strong hold around the body/waist like a clutch, or vice...so strong that you can't break it.
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