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SMITH, John Henry
« on: Saturday 30 December 17 04:57 GMT (UK) »
John Henry Smith was born C1871 at St. Pancras and married May Ann Blackmore.  The 1901 Census have them living at 25 Peckwater Street, St. Pancras and he is a Post Office worker.  His wife supposedly born Chalk Farm London C1870 and their children Agnes born C1893, and John George C1895 were both born in Islington. I have information on John George and nothing more about the other 3, except that of the 1911 Census.  Any other information about them would be a lottery win.  Smith from London must be like Jones from Wales - where does one start!!!!!??????   
Kent: Plane/Playne/Plain, Brakefield, Oliver, Wells, Mainwaring/Manwaring, Martin, Bishop, Mills, Richardson, Wenman, Holdstock
Bethnall Green: Oliver
London:  Smith,  Nickolay, Blackmore.
Canada: Terry
Switzerland: Kneuss, Bergernat
Goudhurst: Martin
Sussex: Morgan

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 December 17 05:07 GMT (UK) »
With the marriage hopefully which is online on Anc

5 Jun 1892   Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden
John Smith age 21 Store Assistant - Father George Smith - Shoemaker
One of the witnesses is a George Frederick?? Smith

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Added Mary is listed as 22 with father John Blackmore - Carpenter

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 December 17 06:15 GMT (UK) »

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 December 17 07:31 GMT (UK) »
Possible for John in 1891 Living at Peckwater Street, Pancras
 
Charles Fernee     30 Coal Porter - b Pancras
Mary    Fernee 35    b Pancras
Charles Fernee     5 b Pancras
William Fernee     3 b Pancras
George Fernee    0 b Pancras
John    Smith Brother In Law    21    Telegraphist Porter b Pancras

Charles Fernee is listed as this John Smith's brother in law and Charles married a Mary Morton Silitoe on 03 Aug 1884 at Regent's Park St Mark,

I think Mary in baptised Mary Morton Sillitoe on 26 Apr 1857 with parents Clara and William.  A tree on Anc lists mother Clara as being widowed (edit - found a death of a Willliam Sillitoe age 33 GRO Ref 1857  March Qrtr ST PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 101) and remarrying a George Smith in 1860 in Windsor

This might be the family in 1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDC-MLC  however George is listed as a private soldier not a shoemaker  :-\

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Added - Possible mother Clara Smith/Sillitoe's maiden name was Stevens (marriage to William Richard Sillitoe in 1854 in St Pancras).

The GRO Birth Index has the birth of a John Henry Smith   Sept Qrter 1870  PANCRAS  Vol 01B  Page 10 with mother's maiden name Stevens  and the birth of older brother George Smith b 1866 in Windsor also with mother's maiden name Stevens and middle name Frederick

This ties in well with the witness George Frederick Smith on your John Henry Smith's marriage cert   

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 December 17 08:57 GMT (UK) »
SMITH, AGNES  MARGARET     mmn BLACKMORE     
1893  June Quarter
PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 116

SMITH, JOHN  GEORGE     mmn BLACKMORE     
1894  Dec Quarter
PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 146

SMITH, WILLIAM  JAMES     mmn BLACKMORE     
1896  March Quarter
PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 162
death - Mar qtr 1896 Smith    William James    age 0    Pancras    1b   57

SMITH, MARY  ELIZABETH  mmn BLACKMORE     
1898  Sept Quarter
PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 138
death - Mar qtr 1899   
Smith    May Elizabeth   age 0    Pancras    1b   122
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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 03:50 GMT (UK) »
 Wow, you are fantastic.  Thank you soooo much Kay99 and rosie99.  I can now check out these clues.  We have some information on John Henry after he was married and only from the census did we find John George had a sister Agnes Margaret.   :D informs me she died at an early age, which I have yet to verify.  Now this further information gives a greater picture of the family.  John George lived to marry, survive WW1 as a soldier, have 4 children and many grandchildren.  Hope I may repay by helping someone else break down a blank wall. :D :D
Kent: Plane/Playne/Plain, Brakefield, Oliver, Wells, Mainwaring/Manwaring, Martin, Bishop, Mills, Richardson, Wenman, Holdstock
Bethnall Green: Oliver
London:  Smith,  Nickolay, Blackmore.
Canada: Terry
Switzerland: Kneuss, Bergernat
Goudhurst: Martin
Sussex: Morgan

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 07:08 GMT (UK) »
Good luck and come back if you have any problems  :)

Kay

Forgot to say I think this could be Clara Stevens/Sillitoe/Smith  with mother in 1861.    The image lists her as married  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDC-MLQ

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 04:42 GMT (UK) »
With the marriage hopefully which is online on Anc

5 Jun 1892   Holy Trinity, Haverstock Hill, Camden
John Smith age 21 Store Assistant - Father George Smith - Shoemaker
One of the witnesses is a George Frederick?? Smith

Kay

Added Mary is listed as 22 with father John Blackmore - Carpenter


Thank you Kay.  Do you know how I might be able to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate?
bkr188
Kent: Plane/Playne/Plain, Brakefield, Oliver, Wells, Mainwaring/Manwaring, Martin, Bishop, Mills, Richardson, Wenman, Holdstock
Bethnall Green: Oliver
London:  Smith,  Nickolay, Blackmore.
Canada: Terry
Switzerland: Kneuss, Bergernat
Goudhurst: Martin
Sussex: Morgan

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Re: SMITH, John Henry
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 04:49 GMT (UK) »
If you send me a pm with your  email address I can send you a copy -if you don't have access to Anc

You can also purchase a copy at the GRO using there ref no Jun Qtr 1892  Pancras Volume 1b Page 108
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp    You have to register first which is free

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