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Mary Ann Grosser 1855-?
« on: Saturday 30 December 17 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello.  One last sibling in the Grosser (sometimes Groser or Grocer) family is eluding me.  After her marriage to William Entwistle on 28 October 1872 (he was 21 and a private, 87th Regiment based at Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth, Hampshire; she was from Smith's Lane (sometimes Court) in Portsmouth) I can't find any trace on the census, or children through GRO.  She would have been 17 at the time of her marriage.
Mary Ann's relatives are all accounted for now, so I know she wasn't with them, or at least not recorded as with them.
Are there any army records that I could try?
Thanks.

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Re: Mary Ann Grosser 1855-?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 December 17 10:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi there

If William's regiment was the 87th (Royal Irish Fusiliers) Regiment of Foot, he seems to have been with it in Malta in 1871 per the Army list in which he appears as Private Wm Entwistle, service no. 1066.

Have you traced the regiment's movements later?

Was he Irish I wonder?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Mary Ann Grosser 1855-?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 December 17 10:39 GMT (UK) »
Some info here about the regiment's movements:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/87th_(Royal_Irish_Fusiliers)_Regiment_of_Foot

The 1870s seem to have taken it to Nova Scotia, followed by Bermuda and later back to home barracks in Galway.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Mary Ann Grosser 1855-?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 December 17 15:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the replies.

I hadn't got anywhere with the Nova Scotia/Bermuda link.

The 87th left for Halifax, Nova Scotia on 15 May 1872, but William was in Portsmouth on 28 October, getting married.  Would they all have gone, or some left behind?  It's a puzzle.

The Cambridge Barracks at Portsmouth was only a transit barracks, nothing to do with the 87th particularly.

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Re: Mary Ann Grosser 1855-?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 December 17 20:16 GMT (UK) »
What were the details given for William's father at the marriage? You might have some luck tracking down his side.
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Re: Mary Ann Grosser 1855-?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 31 December 17 08:36 GMT (UK) »
William's father was James Entwistle, a painter.  No luck looking for father and son together in 1851 or 1861, or 1871, when William would probably already have been in the army anyway.

The name Entwistle seems to centre around Lancashire, as far as England is concerned, but as William appears to have been in the 87th Regiment, based in Galway, he could be Irish?

Just bad luck that they're James, William and Mary!