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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 23:12 GMT (UK) »
can anyone suggest a method of perhaps working out which ship would have been in or around arbroath that Alexander would have likely been on board maybe the logs would have noted him being taken unwell etc his death was the 11August 1856  and states after 10 days unwell have i read it correctly
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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 18:17 GMT (UK) »
The Alexander McDougall  with the Captains certificate number 100043 (this is a "Home Trade" certificate) appears in the Mercantile Navy List from 1858 until 1863. Naming masters and certificate numbers ceased in that year. He is listed as having been awarded his masters certificate in August? 1857 at Greenock. There are records of service for this certificate number in the National Archive.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_cr=bt125%2F1&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv
They are on Microfilm and as far as I am aware have not been published on line. May be worth looking to see if there are any clues there.
Clearly not the person who died in Arbroath in 1856.
Consult "Lloyd's List" (available from National Library of Scotland) for details of ships entering the port of Arbroath in or around late July/early August 1856. Also look at local newspapers for the same dates.
If you come up with a list of ships, come back for details of how to obtain the ships logbooks.
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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 22:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks seaweed will have a look on the nls
MCDOUGALL (Glasgow and Glassary, Argyllshire), SINCLAIR (Lanarkshire), CAMPBELL (Aberdeen, Ayr and Gorbals), DOLAN (Greenock), RUSH, BELL, COUSIN(S), PATERSON, KERR, DEARIE, KENNY, GORMLEY, (mostly from Ireland to Glasgow) GILLIES (Glassary & Lochgilphead) McFIE or MCPHEE,

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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 22:29 GMT (UK) »
I've had a look at Lloyds list on the British Newspaper Archive site and there are no ships listed for Arbroath in the late July/ early August period with a master called McDougall.
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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 04 January 18 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Isabel, I am currently visiting friends for a few days so can only research on my phone  however if I knew if any particular resource I could take a trip into the Mitchell as it's not far from here
MCDOUGALL (Glasgow and Glassary, Argyllshire), SINCLAIR (Lanarkshire), CAMPBELL (Aberdeen, Ayr and Gorbals), DOLAN (Greenock), RUSH, BELL, COUSIN(S), PATERSON, KERR, DEARIE, KENNY, GORMLEY, (mostly from Ireland to Glasgow) GILLIES (Glassary & Lochgilphead) McFIE or MCPHEE,

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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 04 January 18 16:14 GMT (UK) »
I am wondering if it may be worth trying to make a list of any ships at the port of Arbroath in the time suggested to check if an Alexander McDougall is on the crew lists as previously suggested ticket 100043 doesn't belong to the same one who passed in 1856 is it possible he would have been on board as a mate ?
MCDOUGALL (Glasgow and Glassary, Argyllshire), SINCLAIR (Lanarkshire), CAMPBELL (Aberdeen, Ayr and Gorbals), DOLAN (Greenock), RUSH, BELL, COUSIN(S), PATERSON, KERR, DEARIE, KENNY, GORMLEY, (mostly from Ireland to Glasgow) GILLIES (Glassary & Lochgilphead) McFIE or MCPHEE,

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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 04 January 18 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Yes. As suggested in my previous post you need to get a list of ships entering the port of Arbroath July/ August 1856. With a little luck it may then be possible to search crew agreements to see if he can be found.
I am afraid these are stored in TNA Kew in the series BT98. If it is a problem for you to visit personally, let me know and if I have the time I will try and take a look for you.
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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 04 January 18 22:11 GMT (UK) »
From Lloyds list - arrivals in Arbroath ( date- ship name- Masters name- port come from)
16/7 Giffords - Gifford- Riga
17/7 Norval - Mason - Memel
17/7 Susan - Beek- Riga
19/7Mary & Louise - Jenkins - Girgenti
21/7 Belle - Jenkins -Quebec
21/7 Hermes - Souter- Riga
22/7 Rud - Losehenkohl - koningsberg
22/7 Challenger - Innes - Riga
31/7 Arica - Harrison - Riga
7/8 Jonge Gerrit - Gerritsina - Memel
10/8 Teaser - Broadhead - Antwerp
10/8 Creziena - Panjer- memel

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Re: Such a muddle I'm in now
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 04 January 18 23:17 GMT (UK) »
Seaweed thanks again unfortunately Kew for the archives isnt an option for me anytime soon being a non driver I am in Scotland and full time carer for my son, should you be going any time soon it would be most greatly appreciated.
Isabel thanks once again for your swift help 😊 also happy new year to you both
MCDOUGALL (Glasgow and Glassary, Argyllshire), SINCLAIR (Lanarkshire), CAMPBELL (Aberdeen, Ayr and Gorbals), DOLAN (Greenock), RUSH, BELL, COUSIN(S), PATERSON, KERR, DEARIE, KENNY, GORMLEY, (mostly from Ireland to Glasgow) GILLIES (Glassary & Lochgilphead) McFIE or MCPHEE,