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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 31 December 17 15:34 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Heywood, senior moment ment to type Matilda, not Maria, i was looking at the same census that you mentioned in your earlier post.

I did wonder if this might be another child of Matilda's

Birth reg:
COATS, HANNAH        Mothers maiden name FOSTER      
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 835

Death reg:
COATES, HANNAH        1      
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 458




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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 31 December 17 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Looks very likely. :)

So ... I wonder who was the father of those children - Samuel and Hannah?
Perhaps as William was raised by his father, they were Richardís but registered in her married name.
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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 31 December 17 15:47 GMT (UK) »
Hannah Jane Sheldon mmn Foster in 1880
Joseph Sheldon mmn Foster in 1881
Joseph Henry Sheldon mmn Foster in 1883
Elizabeth Sheldon mmn Foster in 1885
John Richard Sheldon mmn Foster in 1886
Rosanna Sheldon mmn Foster in 1888
Maud Sheldon mmn Foster in 1890
John Richard Sheldon mmn in 1992

All in West Bromwich

If a marriage has been found to be bigamous do they then remove it from the index?
Or maybe they just lived together as if they were married and claimed they were

Looks like this is the right Matilda

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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:13 GMT (UK) »
If Matilda was asking for maintainance in 1891 when the bigamy came to light and Richard didn't die until 1893 perhaps Samuel and Hannah were William's children and not Richard's.

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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi all thanks for the replies, will work through them all in a while.

All looks pretty promising. Someone mentioned Brook Street and that would certainly tie in with Brook Street being close to where I know the families lived on a number of census returns, both before and after 1891.

I'm sure I've come across the surname Sheldon before too.

Candrjm: It was William's second wife that was asking for maintenance not Matilda. Not got the report to hand but from memory he had thrown his second wife out and was living with another woman.

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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:51 GMT (UK) »
So I take it that William is with the second wife Lucy in 1901 living at 137 Dartmouth Street, West Bromwich.  I assume the three Baker children are connected to Lucy?

Piece No. 2720, Folio 94, Page 37

In the 1911 William is a widower.

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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 31 December 17 17:57 GMT (UK) »
Girl Guide: Yes that's William and Lucy in Dartmouth Street in 1901.

The Baker's are perhaps another puzzle. Lucy was born Judge and married a David Taylor in 1873. I believe David died in 1888.

In one of the two newspaper reports re. bigamy that I have found there is mention of two illegitimate children that William was told to contribute to. I have considered that these could be the Baker children, especially given that Hannah Baker was living with her husband and his 'Father in law' William in 1911.

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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #25 on: Monday 01 January 18 11:18 GMT (UK) »
Good finds, heywood & GG. Matilda was almost 'hiding in plain sight' with Coates on the 1881census.
So ... I wonder who was the father of those children - Samuel and Hannah?
Perhaps as William was raised by his father, they were Richardís but registered in her married name.
Familysearch has baptisms for Samuel 1877 & Hannah 1880 with parents Richard and Matilda, so they were probably not William's.

Someone mentioned Brook Street and that would certainly tie in with Brook Street
I'm sure I've come across the surname Sheldon before too.
It's often helpful if you mention all you know or have heard rumour of at the beginning even if you have no proof it can help tie things in.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #26 on: Monday 01 January 18 11:56 GMT (UK) »
If a marriage has been found to be bigamous do they then remove it from the index?
Doesn't look like it as William's to Lucy is still there
Marriages Dec 1889
Coates    William        W. Bromwich    6b   1291
Taylor    Lucy        W. Bromwich    6b   1291
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON