Which Painter?

[Winterbloom21]

I wonder if anyone could help me to untangle this one.    It'd be much appreciated.

I'm trying to find descendants of a man called John Wilson, born 1854 in Preston.

John's parents were a Robert Wilson, a tailor, born in Bleasdale, who spent the years 1840 to 1861 in the Army and served abroad during that time and his mother Eliza.   John had, apparently, one sister called Elizabeth Ann, who was born in Devonport when Dad was posted there.

John is with his parents in the 1871 census, living in Preston, and described as a 'painter and gilder'.

In 1881 there is a John Wilson, born Preston, a journeyman painter, lodging with a family called Bousfield in Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmoreland.   He is shown as single.

In 1891, and this is my problem, I have found two.      One John Wilson, a married painter, born Preston, is living as a boarder with the Braithwaite family in Gressingham with Eskrigg.     And, there is another one living with a wife called Elizabeth and several children in Kirkby Lonsdale.

In 1901 the John Wilson painter with the family is shown living in Kirkby Lonsdale with a large family, the oldest of which was born in about 1881.

There is a marriage in Kendal in 1885 for a John Wilson, but this is obviously not the one with the big family.

Can anyone help, please?

[rosie99]

John is with his parents in the 1871 census, living in Preston, and described as a 'painter and gilder'.

The family are in Lancaster in 1871 RG10/4231 f6 page 5. 

[Winterbloom21]

Sorry, I meant Lancaster.     

[rosie99]

The 1901 Kikby Lonsdale John has son  John W age 7 and William age 5 which would fit these birth registrations
WILSON, JOHN  WILDMAN   mmn WILDMAN     1894  March Quarter - KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 692   
WILSON, WILLIAM       mmn WILDMAN  1896  June Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 761   

Maybe this marriage
Sep qtr 1881   
WILDMAN    Elizabeth       
WILSON    John       
Lancaster    8e   1061

I need to check the other children on census 

[Winterbloom21]

Thanks.  Just for info, the kids in the big family are Daniel (born 1881 or so), then Isabella, Eliza, Elizabeth, Thomas, Jane, John W, and William.

Have just read some very interesting stuff about the Lancaster canal.  Didn't know there was a passenger service between Kendal and Preston that took only 8 hours (!).    Explains why people seem to go backwards and forwards between these two areas.

[rosie99]

Looks promising for that John in 1901 but you would need the marriage to confirm he is your John.

WILSON, FREDERICK       mmn WILDMAN     
1882  June Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 713

WILSON, ISABEL       mmn WILDMAN     
1883  June Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 720

WILSON, ELIZA       mmn WILDMAN     
1885  June Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 743

WILSON, ROBERT       mmn WILDMAN     
1886  Sept Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 713   
 
WILSON, ELIZABETH       mmn WILDMAN     
1888  Sept Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 705

WILSON, JOHN  WILDMAN     mmn WILDMAN     
1889  Dec Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 672
   
WILSON, THOMAS       mmn WILDMAN     
1890  Dec Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 691

WILSON, MARTHA       mmn WILDMAN     
1897  June Quarter  KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 745

[rosie99]

They were more likely to have gone by road or train from Lancaster / Preston

[BumbleB]

If rosie99 has found the correct marriage, then you may have to purchase the certificate - LancashireBMD say that it was "Lancaster Register Office or Registrar Attended", and they have Elizabeth and Bessie as the Wildman forename.

[Winterbloom21]

Yes, thanks.    I was just typing that I will have to get the marriage cert now, because those children's names include not just Robert but Martha, too.      If I have the right one, Robert was John's father's name and Martha was his grandmother's name.   So might definitely be worth the punt.

I'm just going to recheck the census record that I found for 1901, because it had slightly different kids names in it.

Thank you.