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Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« on: Sunday 31 December 17 15:32 GMT (UK) »

I have been struggling for a number of years to find all the children born to my GG Grandparents - John and Elizabeth Harper (nee Pitt) - who lived in Aston, Birmingham and Foleshill, Warkwickshire.

On the 1911 census they are listed as "Harpes" living at The General Wolf Public House, 23 Aston Road, Birmingham - living with them are their 4 children - Henrietta (Hatty) born 1893, Alfred (John) born 1895, George born 1896 and Elizabeth (my Grandmother) born 1901.

The census states:

 "Total children born alive" - 7
 "Children still living" - 5
 "Children who have died" - 2

There are 4 children listed on the 1911 census (as above) and I have details of another child "Alice Maud" who was born 1906 and died 1907.

So that leaves me trying to find another 2 children - one of whom is still living (but not listed on the census (or any other census) and one who had died by 1911.

I did find a birth for "John Harper" in 1911 but he was born 22nd April which was after the census - and died in 1914.

I have searched the GRO looking for male and female births between 1892 (when they married) through to 1911 (with the criteria of a mothers maiden name of Pitt) but cannot find anything at all, have also searched Ancestry, FindMyPast, Family Search, Free BMD without any success.

Any ideas would be very much appreciated.

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Family name Preston (of Birmingham)
Husselbe (Shropshire), Harper (Claverley, Stoke, Warwick, Birmingham) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham) Pitt (Birmingham) Francis (Shropshire) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham). Taylor (Birmingham).  Mellon(Mallon), Convery, Atchison (Gateshead & Ireland).

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:17 GMT (UK) »
There's a Henry born Sep West Brom 1903  :-\

Most of the others you mention are registered Aston.  Perhaps one of the surnames is down incorrectly for the missing children, have you searched without exact spellings?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:23 GMT (UK) »
Looking for Harper born Aston there is a Charles J 1901 with mothers name Peart - just looking for anything like Pitt but not Pitt if you see what I mean!
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:24 GMT (UK) »
I had dismissed the birth of Henry Harper as I have no information to suggest my GG Grandparents ever lived anywhere apart from Aston and Foleshill. 

It may be worthwhile me now searching for a death for Henry.

Many thanks.

Fay
Family name Preston (of Birmingham)
Husselbe (Shropshire), Harper (Claverley, Stoke, Warwick, Birmingham) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham) Pitt (Birmingham) Francis (Shropshire) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham). Taylor (Birmingham).  Mellon(Mallon), Convery, Atchison (Gateshead & Ireland).


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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:26 GMT (UK) »

My Grandmother Elizabeth was born 1901 in Foleshill so I think we can dismiss Charles for the moment.

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Family name Preston (of Birmingham)
Husselbe (Shropshire), Harper (Claverley, Stoke, Warwick, Birmingham) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham) Pitt (Birmingham) Francis (Shropshire) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham). Taylor (Birmingham).  Mellon(Mallon), Convery, Atchison (Gateshead & Ireland).

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth is registered Mar 1902 so I suppose it's possible there was another one born April-June 1901 depending on actual birth dates but tight. 

How many children are on the 1901 census?
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:34 GMT (UK) »

Elizabeth was born December 1901.

On the 1901 census there are 3 children - Hatty, Alfred and George.

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Family name Preston (of Birmingham)
Husselbe (Shropshire), Harper (Claverley, Stoke, Warwick, Birmingham) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham) Pitt (Birmingham) Francis (Shropshire) Lloyd (Shropshire & Birmingham). Taylor (Birmingham).  Mellon(Mallon), Convery, Atchison (Gateshead & Ireland).

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Thank you I see it.  Tenuous connection but there is also father called Henry Harper living with them. 
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos

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Re: Mystery/Brickwall re Children born (and died) before 1911 Cencus
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 31 December 17 16:38 GMT (UK) »
There is a Henry Harper death in Aston Sep 1904 age given as 1.

Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
Pick - Frocester Glos