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Offline steadyrollingman

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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 31 December 17 18:22 GMT (UK) »

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The similarity between the two place-names is too coincidental.

My suggestion, for what it's worth is that Carrshield, Northumberland, isn't ever so from the County Durham boundary. Perhaps her husband (if that's who the head of household was and filled in the form) thought it was in County Durham  :-\

Where is she living in 1841 and what does it show for her birthplace?
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Could be, could be, but I just can't quite see how that third letter looks like 'rr' though. In 41 they were living in Elemore Vale, Pittington (Durham), but on that census it's obv just listed as Durham only...

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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 31 December 17 18:40 GMT (UK) »
If the householder was illiterate, who would fill in the household schedule on their behalf? Would that be the enumerator or would they have to find someone themselves to do it?

Illiteracy was not as widespread as is commonly thought. Thanks to the growth in freelance schooling, all privately financed, literacy levels had risen to about 92 per cent by 1870 and Forster's Education Act.
It was also the custom for local clergy to assist in completing the forms in the week before the census, and there was also usually a neighbour who could help.
However if the householder could not fill in the schedule, perhaps because he or she was illiterate, the enumerator was to fill it in for them by asking the relevant questions on the doorstep. How many schedules had to be completed in this manner varied from district to district. In 1871 enumerators were asked to record the number of schedules they filled in themselves. In parts of Manchester 25 per cent had to be completed in this manner; in Colyton in Devon the proportion was 7 per cent; and in Christ Church, Spitalfields, the proportion was 15 per cent. In some Welsh-speaking parishes in Anglesey, however, the majority were filled in by the enumerators.
Just to add from the Enumerators Instructions
If, on enquiry for the Schedule, it is delivered to him not filled up, he must fill it up himself, asking all the necessary questions. He should if possible, see the head of the family for that purpose, and obtain the information from him. In the abscence of the Occupier, any other member of the family possessing the requisite intelligence, may supply the necessary particulars.


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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 31 December 17 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the effort, everyone! Yes, I know it's Mary on the census, but my research has left me convinced that must be a middle name or something as the only wife of an Edward Temple that ties in with these details is Catherine Dixon - marriage is here: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBW-HDL
(This is also backed up by parish records for baptisms of her children, and I have subsequently seen that other people on Ancestry have her in their trees - I'm always sceptical of other people's unless they tie in with mine   ;)
Just a shame I can't quite find HER baptism records...

I wonder if Catherine might have been Edward's first wife?

There is a marriage in in 1834 between Edward Temple and a Mary Hopper. Worth investigating?
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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 31 December 17 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Was just going to post similar.
There is a death for Catherine Temple, Elemore Vale in 1833 birth abt 1793.
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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 31 December 17 19:45 GMT (UK) »
Oh, fantastic! (In a very sad way, obv... :'() Well, as her last child was born in 1831, that certainly ties in with all the baptism records - I'm onto it! What a shame it's just before marriage certificate time, grrr... Thanks very much for this, will let you know how I get on. Must admit, I was never 100% comfortable with the idea of her using another name - and of course, if this is right, means the whole Carrshield debate is effectively a moot point, which is a relief...

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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 31 December 17 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Stan, thank you for the very interesting information.  :)
Bell, Salter, Street - Devon, Middlesbrough.
Lickess- North Yorkshire, Middlesbrough.
Etherington - North Yorks and Durham.
Barker- North Yorks
Crooks- Durham
Forster- North Yorks/Durham
Newsam, Pattison, Proud - North Yorks.
Timothy, Griffiths, Jones - South Wales

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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 31 December 17 19:51 GMT (UK) »
I know you donít need Mary now but Hopper might have been her married name.

1841 shows Ann Hopper 17 yrs in the same household.
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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 31 December 17 19:52 GMT (UK) »
Oh, fantastic! (In a very sad way, obv... :'() Well, as her last child was born in 1831, that certainly ties in with all the baptism records - I'm onto it! What a shame it's just before marriage certificate time, grrr... Thanks very much for this, will let you know how I get on. Must admit, I was never 100% comfortable with the idea of her using another name - and of course, if this is right, means the whole Carrshield debate is effectively a moot point, which is a relief...

You need to check this through carefully.
The 1834 marriage of Edward and Mary on freereg indicates he was a bachelor not a widower.
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Re: Durham placename help needed pls
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 31 December 17 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Oh, fantastic! (In a very sad way, obv... :'() Well, as her last child was born in 1831, that certainly ties in with all the baptism records - I'm onto it! What a shame it's just before marriage certificate time, grrr... Thanks very much for this, will let you know how I get on. Must admit, I was never 100% comfortable with the idea of her using another name - and of course, if this is right, means the whole Carrshield debate is effectively a moot point, which is a relief...

You need to check this through carefully.
The 1834 marriage of Edward and Mary on freereg indicates he was a bachelor not a widower.

I was just about to mention that...
Also, the only reference I can find of this is here: https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817cff3e93790eb7f9dab3d?search_id=5a4941bef4040b8c50ad5c31&ucf=false
Doesn't come up at all on Ancestry or FS and I'm being quite vague with the parameters...