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Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« on: Tuesday 02 January 18 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Looking for the family of my mother`s half sister Violet May Bertrum  nee WARD who lived with her family in Armadale. Violet was born in Yorkshire, England on 27th March 1920 and died on 20th June 1999. She is buried in Bunurong Memorial Park Le Page Lawn Row 89, Grave 108.

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 22:38 GMT (UK) »
cyndy
Perhaps it would be helpful if you could summarize some information from your many previous WARD posts on rootschat.
Those wanting to help you need to know what you know from the beginning.
It is likely you have more than her birthdate and place, address, death date and burial place.

How did the half sibling relationship come about?
Which of your mother's parents remarried?

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 January 18 23:17 GMT (UK) »
It may help also if you used her correct surname BERTRAM not BERTRUM.

Her burial record with validates the spelling
https://bmp.smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/4730B

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 00:02 GMT (UK) »
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Looking for any info. on my mothers half brother and sisters.
George maurice Ward b.abt. 1910
Dorothy Ward b. abt 1912
Nellie Ward b. abt 1915
Violet Ward b. abt1920
Parents Charles Ward and Gertrude Charlotte Ward[nee Blanchard.]

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Trying to trace my maternal grandmothers family who I think moved to Wales in the 1920`s from Yorkshire.In particular MARY WARD possible birth 1926.
Parents CHARLES and GERTRUDE WARD, siblings GEORGE MAURICE, DOROTHY,NELLIE and VIOLET MAY.
Charles` occupation in Yorkshire was as a groom at the home of the Mangin family from Sharow. The family may have moved to Wales with their employers. Charles later became a Chauffeur.

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Looking for anyone who is related to Charles Ward married Gertrude Charlotte Blanchard June 1910. Three children George,Dorothy and Nellie born between 1910-1915. Fourth child, illegitimate, born to Gertrude 1917.Charles was employed as a groom at The Holt,Sharrow, Ripon and also served in the army in Palestine.

After viewing the original entry I think this is your George M WARD  Mother's maiden name was displayed on the indexes from Sep qtr 1911.

Births Dec 1910
WARD    George _     Selby    9c/954

Births Sept 1912
WARD    Dorothy  Blanchard    Selby  9c/1903

Births Jun 1915
WARD Nellie   Blanchard    Ripon 9a/130

?Illegitimate
Births Dec 1917   
WARD    Marjorie    Blanchard    Tadcaster    9c/1652

Births Jun 1920   
WARD Violet M    Blanchard    Ripon 9a/125

And are these the same family

Births Dec 1922 
WARD    Lance    Blanchard    Ripon  9a/108   
 
Births Dec 1925 
WARD    Gertrude M    Blanchard    Ripon 9a/97

And is this another after the family moved to Wales.

Births Jun 1928   
WARD    Charles F    Blanchard    Chepstow    11a   23

And to Australia - I cannot locate a death for Violet's husband so cannot name him.

******** BERTRAM was enrolled to vote in Victoria prior to 1972, living with other BERTRAM's at 33 Power Avenue, Carnegie North. It appears that his father or brother was a printer.  Electoral rolls do not show relationships between those living at the same address.

Australian Electoral Rolls
Vic 1972
BERTRAM *****  16 Railway Avenue, Armadale  Compositor
BERTRAM Violet May  16 Railway Avenue, Armadale  HD

1977
BERTRAM ***** 13 Katandra Rd, Carnegie  Compositor
BERTRAM Violet May  13 Katandra Rd, Carnegie  HD

1980
BERTRAM *****  8 Laurel Street, Bentleigh  Compositor
BERTRAM Violet May 8 Laurel Street, Bentleigh  HD

Violet's death certificate would give you further information eg when and where they married and if there were any chn.

Application Form - you are not required to submit identification if the death is more than 10 years ago.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l8v/

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 03:23 GMT (UK) »
I thought something was familiar about Violet May....there is an earlier thread about her http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667182.0
where she emigrated to Australia with her husband whom she married in

Marriages Dec 1940 
LISTER Albert J    Ward    Chepstow    11a/25    
WARD Violet M    Lister Chepstow    11a/25

She obviously married ****** BERTRAM in Australia.

Did you bother to follow up as suggested, the purchase of a death cert for Violet May BERTRAMYou can't expect us to help you unless you wish to help yourself.

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 04:21 GMT (UK) »

 
******** BERTRAM was enrolled to vote in Victoria prior to 1972, living with other BERTRAM's at 33 Power Avenue, Carnegie North. It appears that his father or brother was a printer.  Electoral rolls do not show relationships between those living at the same address.

 
Cando

The male "other BERTRAM" living at 33 Power Street with  occupation as printer was born in Victoria.

BERTRU AM, Wm Horrox
Parents Wm Jas & Hart Het PERKIN
St K
1907
Reg 30479

The woman
DAWSON, Irene Louisa
Parents Arth Christian & Elsie DALLAR
Echuca
1909
Reg 26893

They married in 1935

BERTRAM Wm Horrox
DAWSON, Irene Louise
1935
Reg 3367

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 04:48 GMT (UK) »
Gosh IF these people were Violet's husband's parents, there would certainly be an age difference between Violet and him.

I have just found a number of public trees including one by the OP ::)

As Violet is interred at Frankston I did wonder if it would be worth the OP's time to search whitepages for an entry for a *  BERTRAM living in the area ;)

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 06:13 GMT (UK) »
Death notice from Ryerson Index.

16th Aug 2004
BERTRAM   Irene Louise
Aged   94       
Herald Sun (Melbourne)

I cannot locate the actual notice.

Cremated remains located at Springvale
18/08/2004
Garden of No Distant Place

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Re: Violet May Bertrum nee WARD
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 08:18 GMT (UK) »
Wm's cremated remains scattered at the same location
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/576177

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