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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 03:13 GMT (UK) »
Searching FreeBDM marriages with Peter PALMER in Middlesex comes up with a possible in Jun qtr 1864 at Mile End (1c/959) either Matilda Mary BULLOCK or Elizabeth MARSHALL.

Then there is a birth reg Mar qtr 1865 Shoreditch (1c/207) for Mary Ann PALMER mmn MARSHALL.

A possibility?

(Also William Henry PALMER Jun qtr 1867 Shoreditch (1c/197) mmn MARSHALL
Edward Stanley PALMER Sep qtr 1872 Hackney (1b/481) mmn MARSHALL)

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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 03:27 GMT (UK) »
Peter Palmer & Elizabeth Marshall married 25/4/1864 at St Thomas Stepney.

Both of full age and resident in Stepney.

Peter a Labourer - Father William Palmer a Labourer.

Elizabeth - Father John Marshall a shoemaker.
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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 04:10 GMT (UK) »
There is also a Peter PALMER married Caroline GRAVES East London 1862, however I can't see a child Mary Ann to them (though there is an Annie Maria in 1863). I'm thinking this is not the right Peter.

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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 10:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you again for all your replies.

I've spoken to my mother again and clarified a couple of things

First, the family history was there was 6 children of Mary Ann, with 4 surviving - Richard, Mary, Annie Maria and Ettie, with the years of birth given as 1890, 92, 94, 96.

My mother says the main problem is no trace of Mary Ann's family on the census (Peter Palmer) in London
Now I'm wondering whether they moved out of London and did she follow if she became ill (TB? - lots in the family) and died elsewhere?
The Fulham death seems to tie up in time and age at least

The marriage of Peter Palmer to Elizabeth Marshall seems most likely, but there's also a story from a decendent of Richard Jones Jnr that Mary Ann's mother was called Caroline (the other marriage mentioned)
Clear as mud - unless it's the same Peter Palmer with a second marriage?

Lots for me to think about here

Thank you all for your time on this

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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Just thought I'd expand on great Maddys idea, in case it helps.

From FreeBMD. districts 1x thru 4x, 1896 thru 1899 . . . . .

 Year qtr died / age / implied birthyear / name  / Area
 
1896
Q2_Jun
31
1865
Jones Mary Marylebone 1a
414
1897
Q4_Dec
33
1864
Jones Mary W. Ham 4a
89
1898
Q1_Mar
34
1864
Jones Mary Hampstead 1a
545
1898
Q2_Jun
35
1863
Jones Mary Greenwich 1d
582
1898
Q4_Dec
36
1862
Jones Mary Maidenhead 2c
259
1899
Q2_Jun
37
1862
Jones Mary Hackney 1b
354
1897
Q1_Mar
33
1864
Jones Mary Ann Fulham 1a
162
1897
Q2_Jun
34
1863
Jones Mary Ann Lambeth 1d
269
1899
Q1_Mar
34
1865
Jones Mary Ann Northampton 3b
58
1899
Q1_Mar
36
1863
Jones Mary Ann Paddington 1a
5
1896
Q2_Jun
36
1860
Jones Mary Ann Headington 3a
449
1899
Q4_Dec
39
1860
Jones Mary Ann  B Marylebone 1a
421
1899
Q2_Jun
37
1862
Jones Mary Ann F Camberwell 1d
418
1897
Q2_Jun
30
1867
Jones Mary Jane Greenwich 1d
511
1896
Q4_Dec
36
1860
Jones Mary Rose St. Saviour 1d
90
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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 15:56 GMT (UK) »
I can only find 7 children with the surname Jones and mothers name Palmer in Vol 1c

Richard Charles 1c 413 q3 1890 Stepney
Mary Elizabeth 1c 544 q1 1893 Mile end old town
Louisa Marian 1c 467 q4 1893 Mile end old town
Annie Maria 1c 501 q1 1895 Mile end old town
Frederick Wrangle 1c 520 q1 1896 Mile end old town
Ettie 1c 452 q2 1896 Stepney
William Henry 1c 420 q4 1897 Stepney

With 2 registered in 1896 in successive quarters I think there must be 2 families involved.
Baptism for Frederick Wrangle shows parents as William John and Emily Jones

William John Jones married Emily Palmer Mar qtr 1881, St Saviour 1d 154

Will have a quick look to see who the parents are of Emily, just in case there is a connection.

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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 16:03 GMT (UK) »
Louisa Marian (1893) appears to belong to William John and Emily.
Last child of Richard and Mary Ann/Mary Elizabeth seems to be William Henry born Oct 1897. Strangely I can't see likely death for him before 1901 and he doesn't appear in the census with the rest of the family.
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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 17:03 GMT (UK) »
I can only find 7 children with the surname Jones and mothers name Palmer in Vol 1c

Richard Charles 1c 413 q3 1890 Stepney
Mary Elizabeth 1c 544 q1 1893 Mile end old town
Louisa Marian 1c 467 q4 1893 Mile end old town
Annie Maria 1c 501 q1 1895 Mile end old town
Frederick Wrangle 1c 520 q1 1896 Mile end old town
Ettie 1c 452 q2 1896 Stepney
William Henry 1c 420 q4 1897 Stepney

With 2 registered in 1896 in successive quarters I think there must be 2 families involved.
Baptism for Frederick Wrangle shows parents as William John and Emily Jones

William John Jones married Emily Palmer Mar qtr 1881, St Saviour 1d 154

Will have a quick look to see who the parents are of Emily, just in case there is a connection.

WIlliam and Emily married at St John the Evangelist, Walworth on 27 Feb 1881.  William's father was given as also being called William John Jones, deceased and Emily's father is given as James Palmer (also deceased).  Witnesses are Alfred and Harriet Soar

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Re: Some Opening Questions
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 17:19 GMT (UK) »
There is also a Peter PALMER married Caroline GRAVES East London 1862, however I can't see a child Mary Ann to them (though there is an Annie Maria in 1863). I'm thinking this is not the right Peter.

On the 1871 census, this Peter is a green grocer, living at 30 Hastings St (aged 34) RG10; Piece: 213; Folio: 70; Page: 29

1881 - same place, still a greengrocer RG11; Piece: 190; Folio: 68; Page: 29 (wife Caroline and daughter Alice)