Thomas Eden , 84th Foot Regiment.

[fishnchips16]

Hi,
I am trying to find information on a Thomas Eden in 1872 he was registered as father to my grt grandmother his occupation was soldier corporal 84th foot regiment, any help would be appreciated.
He was born in Lower Swell.
Regards
Frank

[KGarrad]

For reference:

84th Regiment = 84th (York and Lancaster) Regiment of Foot
   Became part of the York and Lancaster Regiment in 1881.

Lower Swell is in Gloucestershire.


If we assume that Thomas was in his 20s when he became a father, then he would be in his 60s or 70s during World War 1?

[groom]

Possibly not him as it's the wrong regiment, but might be worth keeping in mind. I can't see the details as they are on Fold3 and you need a subscription

Thomas Eden
Age:   18
Birth :   Abt 1853
Birth Place:   Swell, Gloucester
Desertion Date:   1871
Publication Date:   3 Jul 1871
Regimental Number:   1291
Military Corps:   4th Dragoon Guards

If we assume that Thomas was in his 20s when he became a father, then he would be in his 60s or 70s during World War 1?

I'm guessing this was just put here as Frank didn't know where else to put it and that he wouldn't have been in the army in WW1. 

[groom]

I've just seen what I presume is your tree on Ancestry, Frank? If he deserted about June/July that would fit with the date your great grandmother was born 9 months later. Perhaps when he was found he rejoined another regiment.

[jennifer c]

He is a private in the army 4th D.Guards in 1871 single aged 18

1861 Workhouse Mayesbury
Caroline Amanda Eden 13 Orphan Lower Swale
Thomas Eden 11 Orphan               "         "

Together on the same page.

Jennifer

[ciderdrinker]

Hi

He is also age 11 on the 1861 census at Mangersbury Workhouse Gloucestershire.
Possible sister Caroline Amanda Eden 13 also there
Other possible Mary Jane age 14 in service in the area.

1881 general lab at Magdalene Road Cowley (lodger with John and Sarah Brooks) unmarried age 27.

The 1851 census for Lower Swell
 Richard Eden 28 farm lab Swell
Sarah   36 Glouc   ?Warenton
Mary Jane 4 Swell (bapt 4.4.1847)
Caroline  1           (bapt 2.9.1849)
George Hathaway 25 visitor unm Stow

Richard was buried 30.12 1856 age 34 Lower Swell.From the Workhouse Stow in the Wold.
Sarah buried age 42 July 23rd 1853.(presumably in childbirth with Thomas).
Caroline Amanda 14.3.1864 from workhouse
No sign of Thomas's baptism.

Mary Jane is a servant in Erith Kent 1871 nurse at the Rookery.

Richard baptised 12.1.1823 to Thomas and Mary lab
So Thomas was named after his granddad.
Richard Edden  married Sarah Maling 25 Aug 1846 at Lower Maling .Fathers Thomas and Thomas both labourers wit George Hathaway and Eliza Smith.


Ciderdrinker

[jennifer c]

1881 Magdalen Road Cowley Oxfordshire

Thomas Eden 27 Gen.Labourer unmarried born Lower Sewell Glous.

Jennifer

[gortonboy]

First name(s)   Thomas
Last name   Eden
Service number   1291
Rank   Private
Unit or Regiment   4th (Royal Irish) Dragoon Guards
HQ location   Manchester
Notes   Deserter. Discharged on 24 June 1871 at Manchester. Labourer. Born Stowe
Year   1871
Country   Great Britain
National Archives reference   WO 12/286
Period   01/04/1871-30/06/1871
Record set   British Army, Worldwide Index 1871

[groom]

So it looks as if he deserted, was discharged and returned to Stowe, where the baby was conceived. I wonder if he did actually re-enlist, or whether that was a little white lie on his daughter’s birth certificate?