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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 07 January 18 19:45 GMT (UK) »
An Elizabeth Ellis, father George, married George Bines at St Mary Lambeth in April 1886.

Then a birth reg
March 1887 Romford 4a 330
Bines, Edward Leonard
mother Ellis

A baptism, (I think in) Dagenham
13 Feb 1887
Edwin Lenard Bines
parents George and Elizabeth
(from LDS film 4298482)


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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 07 January 18 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Elizabeth (b 1866/7 Dagenham) was married to Henry Phillips at Ongar 1887.

Have you got the certificate?
Family in Tilbury in 1891?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGGK-B6Z

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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 07 January 18 20:12 GMT (UK) »
1901 census
Edward Bynes, 14, along with Joseph Bynes, 15, Florence Bynes, 16

all born Dagenham
and all with grandparents George and Charlotte Ellis in Dagenham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NJ-TYL

Elizabeth Ellis married George Bines. But did the same lady also marry Henry Phillips in Ongar?

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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 07 January 18 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Edward, 4, and Joseph, 5, recorded as Ellis, with George and Charlotte in Dagenham in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGFM-3T2

Presumably the Florrie we see in 1901 is the Florence Phillips, 6, in Tilbury with Henry and Elizabeth in 91.


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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 07 January 18 20:33 GMT (UK) »
Presumably the Florrie we see in 1901 is the Florence Phillips, 6, in Tilbury with Henry and Elizabeth in 91.

Here's her birth reg
June 1885 Romford 4a 284
Bines, Florence
mother Ellis

Not sure where Joseph fits in.
But anyway, it seems that Rose May was registered as Bines (and not exactly adopted, as I speculated!)

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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 07 January 18 21:44 GMT (UK) »
Might be Florence's baptism? From the Dagenham LDS microfilm (Essex Parish Registers)
Florence Vines
bap 24 May 1885, Essex
parents George + Elizabeth

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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 07 January 18 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Details for some of the parish records Jon has referred to:

Baptisms - St Peter and St Paul, Dagenham (SEAX D/P 69/1/8):

28 Jan 1866 Sarah Ann Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 34, no 270
28 Apr 1867 Elizabeth Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 44, no 352
30 May 1869 George Ellis; George & Charlotte Monk?; Dagenham; labourer; page 58, no 463
26 Feb 1871 Susan Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 72, no 570
25 May 1873 Thomas John Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 89, no 709
24 Feb 1878 Tom? Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 132, no 1056
02 Jan 1882 William Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; priv bapt; page 173, no 1383
30 Sep 1883 Leonard George Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; born 11 Aug 1883   page 192, no 1533


Baptisms - St Peter and St Paul, Dagenham (SEAX D/P 69/1/9):

11 Apr 1885 Esther Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; private; page 10, no 79
24 May 1885 Florence Vines; George & Elizabeth; Dagenham; labourer; born 11 Apr 1885; page 12, no 93
16 Aug 1885 Joseph Henry Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 16, no 123
13 Feb 1887 Edwin Lenard Bines; George & Elizabeth; Dagenham; labourer; page 33, no 257
18 Dec 1887 Louisa Ellis; George & Charlotte; Dagenham; labourer; page 44, no 351


Burials - St Peter and St Paul, Dagenham (SEAX D/P 69/1/35):

30 May 1947 Elizabeth Bines; age 80 years; 2 Clay Cottages; page 36, no 283
04 Apr 1952 Thomas Phillip Seager; age 82 years; Victoria Hospital; page 60, no 474


It might just be a coincidence but Elizabeth Ellis was living at 1 Clay House, Dagenham with her parents George and Charlotte on the 1871 census. And Elizabeth Bines' address at the time of her death was 2 Clay Cottages, Dagenham.
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Re: Missing Marriage at Barking, Essex, UK
« Reply #34 on: Monday 08 January 18 16:36 GMT (UK) »
Hello jonw65 and cuffie81,

Many Thanks for your very interesting and valuable input to my appeal.
Between you there has been a lot of work on my behalf. I now have a great deal to look at and think about. There are now many further questions to answer as well.

Thomas Seager is a brother of my wife’s Gr Grandfather so he took a back seat for a long time. This family have been a huge mystery that I have been returning to for well over 10 years.

The one area I had not looked at was the 1939 which was where you probably found the Bines name which I have never researched.

Rose May ‘Sigger’ is shown in the 1901 age 2 on 2nd page of the family listing
RG13/1653/49/p37. So at that point she is to all intents and purposes, a Seager.
She disappeared after that with no BMD record at all at the GRO.

I have to access Ancestry & Find m Past at the local Record Office which only opens 3 days at the end of each week and I am gratefull that you have both added all reference points.

Its obvious now that Elizabeth Ellis Phillips and Thomas Seager never married but I imagine that must have been extremely unusual at that time..
Many Thanks again, my Best Regards to you.