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Finding Emily's Story
« on: Saturday 06 January 18 03:23 GMT (UK) »
Good Morning

Many years I have spent researching and digging looking to "Find Emily's Story" as such I have formed my own findings much from the help of both documents,certificates, professional researchers, local researchers, however

I wish to request opinions of fellow researchers regarding a revisit on my research of my great
 grandmother Emily Hawkes.

The sole objective is to find that PROVEN paper link to her parents! John WRIGHT her Father and Unknown Mother.
To date this remains outstanding.

As I have posted on here previously about Emily I request that all that be kept separate so as not to influence the opinions on this thread please.

 I am "reworking the factual documents"  so I can re access the research for my great grandmother Emily Hawkes.


This is where I am hoping your valuable comments may come into helping me find a way through to the answers I seek.

Please see the attached pdf

Regards
Jill















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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 January 18 04:07 GMT (UK) »
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When and Where Married: 20 August 1913, Roma, Queensland

Jill where exactly were they married eg church, manse, rectory, private residence?

Cando

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 January 18 04:19 GMT (UK) »
Can you expand your notes to include all the information from the NSW birth certificates.....mothers age....marriage details.......date and place of birth....date and place of registration.


Is this your family?
Wright Alfred : SERN 2017 : POB Nyngan NSW : POE Brisbane QLD : NOK Hawk Thomas

(NOK uncle Thomas HAWKE, St Georges QLD).   Alfred  KIA.

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 January 18 04:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cando
from the marriage certificate:
Reg#:13/ 002257
When and Where Married: 20 August 1913, Roma, Queensland
Name and Surname Bridegroom: Thomas HAWKES
Bride: Emily WRIGHT
Condition: Bridegroom: Batchelor
Bride: Spinster
Birthplace: Bridegroom: Yass, New South Wales
Bride: New South Wales
Profession, Trade or
Occupation: Bridegroom: Contractor
Bride: Domestic Duties
Age: Bridegroom: 52 years
Bride: 44 years
Usual Place
of Residence: Bridegroom: Taroom
Bride: Roma
Parents:
Fathers Name
and Surname: Bridegroom: John Hawkes
Bride: John Wright
Mothers Name
& maiden surname: Bridegroom: LEFT BLANK
Bride: LEFT BLANK
Fathers Rank
or Profession: Bridegroom: LEFT BLANK
Bride: Stockman
Married at St.Paul's Rectory, Roma, Queensland by Officiating Minister or registrar, Arthur E Henry.
In the presence of Vincent Fossey and F. Campbell. According to the rites of the Church of England.
The marriage was registered on 13th September 1913.
As their were areas of details left out on the marriage certificate, I wanted to follow up that this was
not left of the original church records so followed up with that at the church in Roma.
There were no details that were forth coming only change was the fact that the marriage parties had
signed in the incorrect places ! Does this make the marriage legal?

Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis-  Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 January 18 04:29 GMT (UK) »
Wivenhoe

Regarding all information on the births for children, I did all that in my attachment, so should see the details there, or was there something in particular you were suggesting?

Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis-  Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 January 18 04:48 GMT (UK) »


These are the details I would like to see from the NSW records that you have -

".mothers age....marriage details.......date and place of birth....date and place of registration."

and I cannot see this on your attached file.

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 January 18 05:17 GMT (UK) »
Wivenhoe
From the attachment: and added a few extra dates

Following on from this I applied to the NSW BDM for copies of the entries of the registrations of the
children's births. At first I was denied as they were now re registered under Qld BDM but then as I
pressed further and requested for History purposes I found further information not recorded on the
Queensland documents.

From Emily's first born child, Thomas Wright/Hawkes New South Wales birth certificate, Reg#24762,
born 25th June 1902, at Nyngan. Father listed as Thomas Hawke, Labourer, 40years,born at Sydney,
New South Wales. Date and place of Marriage: 26th April 1901, Cobar, N.S.W. No previous issue.
Mothers name listed is Emily Wright, 33 years old, born at Duck Creek near Nyngan, N.S.W. The
Informant is herself, Emily Wright, Mother of Duck Creek.
The Witness or Nurse is Mrs.Lawler
Registered 14th July 1902 at Nyngan, New South Wales.

This was quite a moment as Emily is giving the information herself and was the first time I had
discovered this information.

I followed up on the marriage but there is NO recorded marriage. followed up at both the
courthouse in Nyngan and NSW BDM.

The second child Emily Wright/Hawkes NSW BDM born 26 August 1904 also revealed a little more, again Emily being the
informant herself. This time she gives her birthplace as Duck Creek, Cannonbar, NSW. Emily is living
at Cobar and is 36 years old. A Mrs Williams is the Nurse or witness.
Registered 8th September 1904

Emily's third child, James also born at Cobar, 11th April 1907. Emily also shows herself as the informant and again giving
herself as being born at Duck Creek, Near Cannonbar. 38 years old. Now living at Meryula near Cobar.
The Nurse or Informant again is Mrs. Williams.
Registered 14th May 1907

Just as a note, on the original NSW certificates the fact that under issue; none of the children are
listed on each others birth certificates.



Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis-  Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 January 18 05:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Signing in "wrong" spot does not invalidate a marriage contract.

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Re: Finding Emily's Story
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 January 18 05:47 GMT (UK) »
Older siblings NOT listed on NSW b.c.  .... with their mum as informer  suggests she did not provide the registrar / deputy registrar with details of her marriage to the father .

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