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Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« on: Saturday 06 January 18 13:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I found my 4x Great Grandmother Alice Wilson's baptism record from 1816 (Non-conformist), showing she was born in 1815 at Sandy Syke (farm?). The baptism place was Sandy Syke Independant chapel near Bolton by Bowland. It states that her Elizabeth mother is the daughter of William Brennand, Yeoman of Skirden Hall. I've learnt that the Sandy Syke chapel was constructed in 1812 and Skirden Hall was right next to it.

What i can't find is any baptism records for Elizabeth daughter of William Brennand, on the census it states she was born in Newton by Bowland. The only thing i have found is a marriage in 1837 at Colne (Thomas Brennand - (X), of age Yeoman Widower of Skirden Hall), who i am guessing is the brother of Elizabeth. A will for William Brennand of Skirden Hall from 1802 exists which names his children as William (the eldest), Robert, Thomas and James, and Betty.

Could anyone help me?

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IRELAND-Foley, Timmins, Foran, Farrall, Traynor, Crawley, Ganley, McDermott, Manning
HAMPSHIRE-Wheeler, Gilmore
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CHESHIRE-Littlemore, Timmins, Blanthorn, Smith
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Re: Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 January 18 16:36 GMT (UK) »
I have not found a baptism but Elizabeth Brennand's birth year seems to be 1772 as when she married Richard Wilson on 25/6/1795 she was 23 years old

Where did you find her on a census please. (noting 1841 census does not give where born)

edit - now found 1851 census


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Re: Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 January 18 11:07 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if this might be Elizabeth, one family tree seems to agree with the other details?

Betty Brennand
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1770
Great Mitton,York,England
Father: William Brennand

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Re: Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 January 18 06:34 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if this might be Elizabeth, one family tree seems to agree with the other details?

Betty Brennand
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1770
Great Mitton,York,England
Father: William Brennand

Colin

that record is on www.familysearch.org if you want to have a look  :)
ADDED also on www.lan-opc.or.uk
bonus is it tells us the village they lived in
Baptism: 18 Nov 1770 All Hallows, Mitton, Lancashire, England
 Betty Brennand - Daughter of William Brennand
     Abode: Bashal
     Occupation: Labr.
     Register: Baptisms, Page 103, Entry 21
     Source: LDS Film 919152

so - look up Bashal - see if they have a genealogy site  :)

added again - Bettys mums was Ann  :)

Baptism: 10 Dec 1780 All Hallows, Mitton, Lancashire, England
 Peggy Brennand - Daughter of William Brennand & Ann
     Abode: Bashall
     Occupation: Labr.
     Register: Baptisms, Page 113, Entry 30
     Source: LDS Film 919152
 

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Re: Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 January 18 06:45 GMT (UK) »
Large family of Brennand records at All Hallows ,Mitton - but the Brennand family are in Barshal

www.lan-opc.org.uk
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I think found William and Anns marriage - Alice was commonly nicknamed Ann -

Marriage: 28 Dec 1769 All Hallows, Mitton, Lancashire, England
 William Brennand - This Parish
 Alice Hodgson - This Parish
     Married by Banns by: Willm. Carr, Vicar
     Register: Marriages, Page 102, Entry 9
     Source: LDS Film 919152


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Re: Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 January 18 07:08 GMT (UK) »
Newton by Bowland.to All Hallows church Mitton is 9 miles according to AARouteplanner - Barshal Town doesn't show on Routeplanner but I would imagine it is closer to Newton by Boland ??
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www.192.com
Barshal Town postal comes under Clitheroe
still quite a few Brennand in the same area as 150 years ago  :)
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Re: Cannot find baptisms for a particular line (Lancashire/Yorkshire border)
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 22:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Really sorry for not replying earlier. I don't seem to get email updates if someone replies...

Yes i have seen that 1770 baptism before, i have a feeling it isn't the right one (for reasons i cant explain). The distance seems quite far for a rural family in those days. I'm thinking that because Alice their daughter was baptised in a non-conformism chapel, which was only built a few years before. There must have been another in the area when Elizabeth was born (which records may have been lost for).
LANCASHIRE-Nutter, Driver, Foley, Taylor, Blanthorn, Parker, Pickles, Grime, Mudd, Broadley, Spencer, Whalley, Harrison, Ellis, Timmins, Duerden, Cornthwaite, Schofield, Wardley, Lord, Scholes
IRELAND-Foley, Timmins, Foran, Farrall, Traynor, Crawley, Ganley, McDermott, Manning
HAMPSHIRE-Wheeler, Gilmore
STAFFS/SHROP-Darn, Spittle
DERB'HIRE-Mason, Trimmer
YORKSHIRE-Perkin (Parkin), Robinson
CORNWALL-Harris, Jane, Bennett
CHESHIRE-Littlemore, Timmins, Blanthorn, Smith
HUNTI'SHRE-Stretton, Bryant