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Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« on: Sunday 07 January 18 23:31 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if these records are available to view but if so, would somebody mind looking up the details for me?

William RANDALL married Florence NICHOLAS in Frome 1918

What I'm after are the details of William's father - name and occupation

many thanks

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 January 18 06:20 GMT (UK) »
IGI has the marriage record as William J Randall - so the J helps a little - narrows it down a bit  :)
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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 January 18 07:28 GMT (UK) »
It isn't possible to look up Marriage certificates - you have to purchase a copy :-\

It might be possible to look at the Parish Register entry - but which parish?
There were 29 parishes in the Frome Registration District in 1918.
And, of course, they could easily have married in the Register Office - in which case the Marriage Certificate is the only option?

When was William born?
Or when did he die? A year of birth can be calculated from his age at death.
Have you found them in the 1939 National Register?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 January 18 09:21 GMT (UK) »
Ah I was hoping they'd be scanned in a set somewhere like the London ones.

I don't know which parish they married but Florence was baptised at Frome St John (Froome Selwood)

William was my gt grandfather and all I know is that he said he was a true cockney born within the sound of Bow Bells and that he was very short. I have found WW1 attestation papers which I believe to be his - address of Bromley by Bow but what really tipped me off was his height - 5' 3" and described as having a lady's stature!

On the papers he was 24 in 1914 and his next of kin was his mother named Sarah Randall.

So assuming a birth date of 1890 I have found a family in 1891 who fit - father William Randall born 1856 in Leicestershire and mother Sarah born 1855 in Southwark.  I was hoping that a marriage record would confirm it for me.

Re the 1939 register - I can only access the index but I'm not sure where he is. Florence Randall is in Frome with her daughter Margery Randall.

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 January 18 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Presumably she is Florence Fanny Nicholas born Frome 1 Mar 1893 who died as Florence Fanny Randall in Enfield in 1969?

Might he have died in the same area (yielding a birthdate)? Do you have any idea when he died?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 January 18 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Yes that's her.

There is a William J Randall death in Edmonton in 1958 - not completely sure it's him but my mum thinks her age at the time sounds right. That also has his birth as 1890

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 January 18 09:31 GMT (UK) »
The army sevice record you found does (very faintly) show the name Florence Nicholas in the "Particulars of Marriage" section. None of the other details appear to have been filled in.

Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 January 18 09:39 GMT (UK) »
You say you found a fit in 1891 with a son of a William and Sarah.

However you may wish to look also at William J Randall 8 months old in 1891, son of Henry/Harry? T Randall and Sarah, at 192 Seven Rd, Bromley by Bow. RG12/328/88/66. (Rendell on Anc).

Birth reg as William John Randall, mmn Stone, Sep qtr 1890 Poplar.

Parents' marriage: Henry Thomas Randall and Sarah Stone, Jun qtr 1883 Poplar.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Marriage lookup - William RANDALL and Florence NICHOLAS
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 January 18 10:03 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I found them previously but transcribed as Rendall and it's what made me question the family I was looking at.

The address seems more promising.

If William had his mother listed as next of kin in 1914 would that indicate that his father had died by then, or would it have been normal to have listed mother?