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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Been by Matfen a few times but never visited. Some similarities  but ....

https://www.matfenhall.com/hotel/a-brief-history-of-matfen-hall/

and

http://images.visitkielder.com/Matfen-Hall/vn-medium-Exterior.jpg


added - still think it's the 'vanished' Orchard Main in Peeblesshire as it has strong links to the family.


Few possibles ? but I'm not over optimistic as there are 1000's of halls in UK from stately halls to mill owners houses called Halls with copied big Hall architeture in suburbia towns / cities. (there are hurdreds in Huddersfield around Halifax road and Edgerton  & Holmfirth to mention one town)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Country_houses_in_Northumberland


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9986797,-1.6031582,3a,34.2y,334.74h,93.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWazDEo4PAzRjWbnryMumBw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

https://www.booking.com/hotel/gb/jesmond-dene-house.en-gb.html?aid=336137

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middleton_Hall,_Northumberland

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Example of mill owner houses

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.6589371,-1.8061595,3a,75y,0.21h,79.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so3rRSNRuT9HUjcNyH08Zhw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

No doubt there will be hundreds these type houses and halls in Northumberland of ship owners/19th century wealthy people and the like in suburbia or in the countryside.
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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 21:42 GMT (UK) »
The Cecil family, who the OP says are the original owners of the photo album, were associated with 3 properties during the 16 or so years after Arthur William James was born:

1 Woodhorn Manor, near Newbiggin on Sea, Northumberland  - AWJC was probably born there
2. Orchard Mains, Traquair, Peeblesshire - 1891 census
3, Orchardmein, Tunbridge, Kent -1901 census

1 and 2 have been demolished.

It's possible that none of these may be the property but it's worth starting with them.

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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 22:39 GMT (UK) »
The Cecil family, who the OP says are the original owners of the photo album, were associated with 3 properties during the 16 or so years after Arthur William James was born:

1 Woodhorn Manor, near Newbiggin on Sea, Northumberland  - AWJC was probably born there
2. Orchard Mains, Traquair, Peeblesshire - 1891 census
3, Orchardmein, Tunbridge, Kent -1901 census

1 and 2 have been demolished.

It's possible that none of these may be the property but it's worth starting with them.

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Orchard main  looks like its got possibilities

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.5908599,-3.078737,3a,27.1y,136.41h,94.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDSC8TAvwoUyXIKfvxZBWFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656


The building East of the bus stop in sat map by the New ball burn (Stream) look at lay out - has an adjacent  corner for a fancy pattern garden


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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 07:35 GMT (UK) »
Orchard Mains House lay in the woods behind Orchard Mains farm:



The buildings on the main road labelled on Google maps e.g. Orchard Mains Barn are some way south:


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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 08:07 GMT (UK) »
The nearest I could find in a brief search was Matfen Hall but though there are similarities, there also marked differences . (nearest so far to the OP's picture in my view).

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 08:53 GMT (UK) »
Orchard main  looks like its got possibilities

Please see reply #12

From an article about the builder of Orchard Mains

He also built the mansion house at Orchard Mains (now completely vanished) for Lord Cecil
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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 09:18 GMT (UK) »
The nearest I could find in a brief search was Matfen Hall but though there are similarities, there also marked differences . (nearest so far to the OP's picture in my view).

Wiggy

see

Been by Matfen a few times but never visited. Some similarities  but ....

https://www.matfenhall.com/hotel/a-brief-history-of-matfen-hall/

and

http://images.visitkielder.com/Matfen-Hall/vn-medium-Exterior.jpg


added - still think it's the 'vanished' Orchard Main in Peeblesshire as it has strong links to the family.


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Re: Can you help ID this manor house, possibly in Northumberland?
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 09:46 GMT (UK) »
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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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