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Missing burials - a general discussion
« on: Tuesday 09 January 18 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Before 1837 when death registration began we rely mostly on burial records to discover when and where people died.
But what about cases where no burials are found?

Parish registers include CofE burials, other religious (nonconformist, Jewish etc) records exist, but that does not account for many deaths.

Deliberate name changes
Missing or illegible records (e.g. PRs lost or badly damaged)
Emigration
Death in foreign wars
Lost at sea
Mining or other industrial disaster
Natural disaster (fire, flood etc)
Accidental undiscovered death (in forests, rivers etc)
Murder where the body is hidden (or sold to anatomists)
Death while travelling (the "unknown stranger")

What other explanations can Rootschatters come up with?





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Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 21:33 GMT (UK) »
One problem I have had was deaths occurring in unexpected places, so unless an unusual name they can be very hard to locate. If they are
only known by their where they die the ages can be way out, that adds another complication.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Seen fairly often in parish records, "a stranger" or " a traveller"
.http://www.rootschat.com/links/05q2/   
  WILSON;-Wiltshire.
 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
 BASSON-BASTON;- Berkshire,- Oxfordshire.
 BRIDGES;- Wiltshire.
 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
 CHATFIELD;-Sussex-- London
 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
 BLOMFIELD-BLOOMFIELD-BLUMFIELD;-Suffolk.
DOVE. Essex-London
YOUNG-Berkshire
ARDEN.
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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Suicides?
Executions
Witch burning
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Here in Scotland official registration did not begin until 1855.

Prior to that many of the records were stored in damp church vaults where they disintegrated over time. That is if the death was recorded at all.

One entry I found just said "an old woman died" no further information. Glad I was not researching her  :'( :'(

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Small, Dundee
Dickson, Dundee
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Easson, Scotland
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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 23:05 GMT (UK) »
Excommunicants
Burial in a Family mausoleum on your own grounds
Devoured by a gang of feral cats
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating replies!

Suicide - one might expect some reference in a parish minute book or cemetery register (inquest records rarely survive)

Excommunicants - one might expect some reference in a parish minute book to the excommunication which would narrow down a search.  A surviving cemetery register would help.

Execution - there should be a court or prison record of the sentence or death surviving somewhere

Burial in a family vault - would this be shown in a parish record?  I would guess that family records could survive.

Feral cats?  Is this the British equivalent of the "dingo baby" case?
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Towcester/Weedon - ALLEN, BASFORD, MAY       Fakenham - WILLIAMSON       Hempton - WRIGHT, LOVELL       Bethnal Green - MONKS and LARCHER
Southwark - MOUNT, BOWBRICK        Clonakilty to Southwark -  CRISPIN      Lambeth - LYON       Hoxton - WALTERS     Gwennap - JAMES, GRAY, TREWARTHA       Antrim - CORDNER, SANDYS         Peru - SOTELO, MOREY, BASELLI

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Re: Missing burials - a general discussion
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 January 18 13:33 GMT (UK) »
I have one in late 1700's hanged as a spy, nobody knew where he was buried even at the time.