Author Topic: Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa  (Read 618 times)

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Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa
« on: Thursday 11 January 18 02:02 GMT (UK) »
Greetings,
Any help will be valued to find parents or siblings of:

Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL
BIRTH 15 FEB 1914 • Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa
DEATH DEC 1980 • OSWESTRY Shropshire, England
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I find her on passenger lists outgoing 23 March 1948 to and returning from South Africa 1950 married to George Leslie Pinder 1908-1971, with two sons and a baby daughter.

They were married in Hastings UK 1945.

I see several BMD events for SAYWELL families in Hastings
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Many thanks.
ANSTRUTHER,
BENNETT,
BRETT Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT,
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY Sligo,
POPE London docklands,
PRIDDY Devon,
STANDERWICK Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
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Re: Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 January 18 06:04 GMT (UK) »

Any help will be valued to find parents or siblings of:

Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL
BIRTH 15 FEB 1914 • Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa
DEATH DEC 1980 • OSWESTRY Shropshire, England
====================
I find her on passenger lists outgoing 23 March 1948 to and returning from South Africa 1950 married to George Leslie Pinder 1908-1971, with two sons and a baby daughter.

They were married in Hastings UK 1945.

I see several BMD events for SAYWELL families in Hastings
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Many thanks.

Her marriage certificates might help should give you her father's name, his occupation and give an address where she was resident at the time of marriage. Witnesses might be family members

Was she married previously?

Winifred E B Saywell spouse A E V Hodson
Oct-Nov-Dec 1938 London City  Volume 1c Page 7

Winifred E B Hodson spouse George L Pinder
Jan-Feb-Mar 1945 Hastings Sussex Volume 2b Page 42

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Hendon M.B., Middlesex
Winifred E B Pinder (Hodson)   1914
A E V Hodson 1908 is also on this record

ADDED

There's this entry on London Electoral Register but no middle initials given
Winifred Saywell
Year:   1937 County or Borough:   Camden  Ward or Division/Constituency:   Holborn
Street address:   Abbotsford Hotel 3 – 7 Thornhaugh Street
There are two more persons with same surname one male (C Saywell) one female (B Saywell)
who may be related to this Winifred as I haven’t established if they are still living have not given their full christian names

Sent a PM with their full names


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Re: Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 January 18 08:02 GMT (UK) »
There’s this Saywell family arriving in London from South Africa with a daughter named Winifred born 1914

Claude J Saywell 36 occ Journalist
Winnifred wife 40
Winnie E Saywell age 1 (1914)
Port of Departure:   Durban, South Africa
Arrival Date:   8 Oct 1915
Port of Arrival:   London, England
Ports of Voyage:   Plymouth
Ship Name:   Llandovery Castle

Mr Claude J Saywell Age: 33 occ Journalist
Port of Departure:   Delagoa Bay, Mozambique
Arrival Date:   26 Oct 1911
Port of Arrival:   Southampton, England
Ship Name:   Gloucester Castle

Dec 1911 Kingston vol 2a page 928
Claude J Saywell
Female name on same page
Winifred A Bartlett

London Electoral Register
Claude James  Saywell
Winifred Alice Saywell
Street address:   10 Old Square
Year:   1938 Camden Ward or Division/Constituency:   Holborn

Sep 1872 Keynsham 5c 681
Winifred Alice Bartlett (censuses show dau of Abraham & Alice)

Claude J Saywell
Street address:   59 Pelham Street
Year:   1947 Kensington and Chelsea

Claude J Saywell Death Age: 69 Jun 1949 Hammersmith London Volume: 5c Page: 659

birth entry
Claude James Saywell  Sep 1879  Chelsea  Volume:   1a Page:   358

Possibly same person
UK, Royal Naval Reserve Service Records Index, 1860-1955
Claude James Saywell born 1 Jul 1879 Birth Place: London
Date:   1908-1955 Service Number:   DA 9357
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8516860

1881 RG11; Piece: 1362; Folio: 11; Page: 5
10 Chelmsford Ter
Claude Fisher Saywell 31 Dairy & Provision Dealer   
Elizabeth Saywell   28
Claude James Saywell   1
Horace Saywell brother   23

1891 RG12; Piece: 901; Folio: 142; Page: 19
Claude F Saywell   42
Elizabeth Saywell   38
Claude J Saywell   11
Jessie E Saywell   8
Edith M Saywell   6
Me(i)nnie E Saywell   4
Harold R Saywell   1

1901  RG13; Piece: 1045; Folio: 10; Page: 12
Claude age 21 occ Journalist living with widowed mother Elizabeth & his 4 siblings






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Re: Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 January 18 10:17 GMT (UK) »
This possibly Winifred's baptism:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GT7B-SVG1?i=45&cc=1468076

Parents given as Claude James and Winifred Alice

Under "sponsors" on the image "parents" are given, possibly Winifred Alice's  - Maud Joslett or Foslett
Paylet, Pallatt, Morris (Russia, UK) Burke, Hillery, Page, Rumsey, Stevens, Tyne/Thynne(UK)  Landman, van Rooyen, Tyne, Stevens, Rumsey, Visagie, Nell (South Africa)

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Re: Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 January 18 10:28 GMT (UK) »
This possibly Winifred's baptism:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GT7B-SVG1?i=45&cc=1468076

Parents given as Claude James and Winifred Alice

Under "sponsors" on the image "parents" are given, possibly Winifred Alice's  - Maud Joslett or Foslett

Was editing my post to add the info. below and have inadvertently deleted the info........ ::)

I don't know if there maybe a connection here posting due to the similar name  :-\

Maud Greening born Goslett age 23, married, housewife   
died 28 Jul 1914 Cape Town, Cape Province, South Africa   
Resident Bakoven Camps Bay      
Burial Maitland, informant J Googend?, Undertaker, 92 Bree Street Cape Town

Bpt. Cape of Good Hope, South Africa
John William born 7 April 1913 bp 23 July 1913, abode 5 Melbourne St
parents John, shoemaker & Maud Greening
Sponsors Alfred Goslett, Jacob Goslett & Maud Greening

These details can be found on familysearch.org





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Re: Winifred Elizabeth Barbara SAYWELL:born 15 FEB 1914 Bloemfontein S.Africa
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 January 18 10:37 GMT (UK) »
There is this birth entry on FreeBMD  :-\

Dec 1883 Eastry   2a   941
GOSLETT   Maud       
The district Eastry is in the county of Kent

She's on 1891 RG12; Piece: 738; Folio: 9; Page: 11 with mother Rose H(annah)
and latest census her surname is Lee  ??? M Goslett married 1910 Eastry W J Lee

edit - death
Maude Lee Death Age:   74
Dec 1958 Dover Kent Volume:   5b Page:   514

I think this death of Winifred Alice Saywell

Winifred A Saywell Death Age:   72 (b1872)
Sep 1944    Battle Volume:   2b Page:   70

This confirms the entry above

Winifred Alice Saywell died 7 Sep 1944 Sussex
Probate Date:   13 Dec 1944 Llandudno
Of Bellevue Primrose Hill Fairlight Cove Sussex (wife of Claude James Saywell)
Administration to Claude James Saywell newpaper editor and Winifred Elizabeth Barbara Hodson (wife of Arthur Edward Vincent)

Added - just found these

England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976

Saywell on May 6, 1949 after a long illness patiently borne, Claude James Saywell, London Editor, Argus South African Newspapers, age 68 Cremation 12:15PM, Golder Greene.
No flowers by request.

Saywell On 7 Sep 1944, at Fairlight Cove, Sussex, Winifred Alice, Wife of C.J. Saywell formerly of Bloemfontein, O.F.S.