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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 January 18 20:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks you all especially arthurk :)

I found a possible relative on MyHeritage. SHe has Christina Winkler (it's all in German) but next to her name is this:

Christina verwitwete Lajroutz, vulg.Shtamitz (geb. Pugl verw.Winkler)

I get that geb. means geboren (born) which could mean she was born Christina Pugl and was widowed when she married Josef.

Any ideas ?

In German the suffix -in is used to make a word feminine, eg Freund - friend; Freundin - girlfriend. I haven't ever seen it used on a surname, but it seems perfectly feasible that at some time in history that may be what they did - hence Winklerin and Shtamitzin in the document. Your possible relative seems to have used the modern convention rather than transcribing exactly.

I don't see where Pugl came from - some other source/document, perhaps?

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No idea what vulg.Stamitz means ... vulg could mean vulgo which in latin means generally
I found the word as vulgo (in two places), and I translated it as commonly.
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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 January 18 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks you all especially arthurk :)

I found a possible relative on MyHeritage. SHe has Christina Winkler (it's all in German) but next to her name is this:

Christina verwitwete Lajroutz, vulg.Shtamitz (geb. Pugl verw.Winkler)

I get that geb. means geboren (born) which could mean she was born Christina Pugl and was widowed when she married Josef.

Any ideas ?

In German the suffix -in is used to make a word feminine, eg Freund - friend; Freundin - girlfriend. I haven't ever seen it used on a surname, but it seems perfectly feasible that at some time in history that may be what they did - hence Winklerin and Shtamitzin in the document. Your possible relative seems to have used the modern convention rather than transcribing exactly.

I don't see where Pugl came from - some other source/document, perhaps?

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No idea what vulg.Stamitz means ... vulg could mean vulgo which in latin means generally
I found the word as vulgo (in two places), and I translated it as commonly.

No idea where Pugl comes from either. I have asked an Austrian cousin and he seems to thing that Shtamitz is her name prior to marriage  ???
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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 January 18 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Maybe it is like the Scottish form of a married woman's name eg Forename Married Name or Maiden Name.



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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 January 18 05:41 GMT (UK) »
Morning all,

So I wake up this morning to this
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Vulg. Means vulgo
The vulgo Name is the Name of the Farm she lived.

For example: krainer vulgo brock

Not sure this is correct  ???

Trust my family lot to be confusing
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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 January 18 09:50 GMT (UK) »
Morning all,

So I wake up this morning to this
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Vulg. Means vulgo
The vulgo Name is the Name of the Farm she lived.

For example: krainer vulgo brock

Not sure this is correct  ???

Trust my family lot to be confusing

I can assure you with 100% certainty that the meaning of vulgo in this context, alongside a name, means 'commonly' or 'commonly known as'.

I believe this has already been correctly stated by Arthur in reply #9.

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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #14 on: Friday 12 January 18 10:56 GMT (UK) »
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Vulg. Means vulgo
The vulgo Name is the Name of the Farm she lived.

For example: krainer vulgo brock


I can assure you with 100% certainty that the meaning of vulgo in this context, alongside a name, means 'commonly' or 'commonly known as'.

Although we Latin translators are certain about the meaning of vulgo, I think it's possible that Lensmeister's contact could in some sense be right.

I believe that in one or more Scandinavian countries (Norway?) farm names are crucial in identifying families, and function in a similar way to surnames. Might this be the case here too?

Scandinavian and Austrian genealogy is way beyond my expertise, and I only picked up this concept from discussions about how FH programs handle it, and there will no doubt be others who know more. Meanwhile, there might be something in the Family Search wiki:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Austria_Genealogy
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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #15 on: Friday 12 January 18 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Could it perhaps be a mixture of both?

Perhaps the farm was indeed called Shtamitz/Schtamitz/Shtamytz/whatever  ::)
and Mr Lajroutz was known as Shtamitz because of his farm..?

Comparable with the way a village full of people called Jones uses "tags" to differentiate. Thomas the Tank Engine fans will be familiar with Jones the Steam.  :D

So perhaps her maiden name was Christina Pugl and she married Mr Winkler, who then died, after which she married Mr Lajroutz, who had a farm named Shtamitz. She then outlived him, hence:

Christina verwitwete Lajroutz, vulg.Shtamitz (geb. Pugl verw.Winkler)
(Christina, widowed Lajroutz)

Just an idea...

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Re: 1780 Austrian Marriage Assistance
« Reply #16 on: Friday 12 January 18 18:34 GMT (UK) »
And  a food one Karen

Not speaking German makes researching my Austrian lot hard.

Josef Lairouz and Christina are my 6th Great grandparents.


Thanks to everyone for al the help, ideas and advice so far.
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