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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 11 January 18 17:27 GMT (UK) »


I've had a look at the tree but unfortunately this person has copied it off another Ancestry Tree that hasn't got any proof or verification. :(

 
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It might be "slightly inaccurate"!!   ;D
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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 11 January 18 17:34 GMT (UK) »
Maybe consider a snail mail to AD with your email address in it??
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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 11 January 18 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Re Ancestry, I've learned to be very cautious over the years of people who've only shared other people's trees! :D

I'll drop AD a line and see what he/she knows!

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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 January 18 18:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the link to the Will Hallmark.  Very interesting.  I've saved a copy for my files.  One day it will all link up!

Paco,

 

The Will is on PRONI

https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=155173
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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 August 22 15:44 BST (UK) »
Hi! I'm new to this forum and just saw this several years' old post.

I'm a descendant of William Moneypenny, whom I believe to be the son of Stephen, the last Newry Canal lockkeeper.  I'm looking for evidence that my William is or is not Stephen's son (I only have circumstantial place, time, etc. evidence), and any info on this family line. My great-great grandfather wrote an account that states his great-grandfather William was born in Maguiresbridge and left Ireland for the US after getting married.

Thanks!

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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 August 22 02:37 BST (UK) »
"Stephen Moneypenny became lock-keeper around 1800 and the Moneypenny family were the lock-keepers for around 85 years. Moneypenny’s Lock was the last lock before the canal entered the River Bann" It closed to navigation in 1947.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/topics/land/newrycanal2.shtml
https://discovernorthernireland.com/things-to-do/moneypennys-lock-p675221
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/weekend/walk-of-the-week-the-newry-canal-way-28788663.html says the last known commercial journey through lock was in 1936.
https://www.facebook.com/Newry.Portadown.Canal/posts/moneypennys-lock-newry-canal-number-14-lock-is-the-last-lock-as-the-canal-climbs/3393499847327242/
"The lock was originally known as 'Trueman's Lock' after a family that once lived at Brackagh House"

The BBC article and the Facebook one refer to Moneypenny’s Lock as the 14th but is clearly marked as the 15th on the 1st and 2nd edition historical OS maps 1834 & 1860 on https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-proni-historical-maps-viewer

It was is the Townland of BRACKAGH in the Parish of Kilmore (Lower Orior portion), Co Armagh and that is the 'address' any records would be under (about two miles south-east of Portadown).

Records are however scant in Ireland, no census survive for 1800's, and parish registers may or may not exist, even less are online. Some DATES would assist? The majority of Moneypennys seem to have been Protestant rather than Catholic I see pre-1864 Church of Ireland and a Presbyterian marriage?

Brackagh Townland falls into Banbridge Registration District (sub District of Tandragee) for non R.C civil marriages records 1845-63 & civil (Vital) Births, marriages & deaths 1864 onwards.
Moneypennys were also Farmers in Brackagh in the 1850-80's.
A Sarah Moneypenny, aged 80, Spinster (Lockeeper & Tole Collector) died Brackagh 13 May 1898. Others were not far away in Tandragee.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namel=Moneypenny&district=Banbridge&submit=Search

All the locations are Townland names https://www.townlands.ie/ but you need the right spelling to locate them https://www.swilson.info/db/townlanddbs.php

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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 August 22 04:13 BST (UK) »
The PRONI Guide to Church Registers lists their holdings on microfilm.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/guide-church-records
and RootsIreland is an Irish site with transcriptions of certain periods of some parishes.
http://rootsireland.ie/armagh/online-sources.php

The closest Church of Ireland church to the Lockhouse was/is Mullavilly in Kilmore Parish https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/IRL/ARM/Kilmore/MullavillyParishChurch
Note there are 3 churches in Kilmore and only the parishes with a black dates and a red tick are transcribed and online on RootsIreland. Mulavilly parish data exists from 1821 but only accessible in PRONI on microfilm (they offer a research service for a fee) or by contacting the parish https://mullavilly.armagh.anglican.org/page-9/page11.html
Parish history https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/M/Mullavilly-Lower-Orior-Armagh.php

There is a chance that the pre-1821 records are included in the mother church of St Aidan's, Kilmore, further west. If so those exist from 1789 are transcribed on RootsIreland.
The next closest Church of Ireland are Seagoe Parish Portadown, whilst records date back to 1671, they are only online from 1821 and St Mark's, Ballymore Parish, Tandragee where registers date back to 1783 but again are not available online.
Presbyterian churches existed in Ballymore/Tandragee and Seagoe/Portadown but surviving registers are likely not old enough for you.

Really the question is what year is written in the account for William's birth in Maguiresbridge as that is an entirely different area and I would be dubious about linking the two and if Maguiresbridge is correct. Maguiresbridge in Co Fermanagh is rather distant from Moneypenny's Lock.

Maguiresbridge is in the large Parish of Aghalurcher but by its border with Aghavea Parish. https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/magherastephana/aghalurcher/maguiresbridge/tattinderry/

Is in Lisnaskea Registration District. There is only one single Civil Registration entry for a Moneypenny in Lisnaskea: death of a Joseph aged 102 in the Workhouse 1897 (allow a wide margin for Irish ages in records) and none in adjacent Enniskillen District. It was a remoter area, more R.C. (registers of which don't start till 1835-60's) & even harder to research.

Co Armagh and Belfast city were were the surname was recorded 1850-1864 https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Moneypenny

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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 August 22 13:45 BST (UK) »
Online trees indicate that this particular William was born in Maguiresbridge in 1765, and died in 1845 in Virginia, USA.  A family history indicates William was married to a Mary Jane Kenny about 1790-95 in Maguiresbridge, Co. Fermanagh, but no parents are named for either.  Of the known children of the couple, none were named Stephen.

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Re: Moneypenny's Lock, Craigavon
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 18 August 22 17:02 BST (UK) »
1765 is before any parish baptism registers survive for the area (see the PRONI guide) and 1795 before any marriage records so you will find no evidence in Ireland.
If the forname Stephen does not appear in subsequent generations unlikely there is any connection to Stephen the Lockeeper. Google irish naming tradition or pattern.