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Re: William Christian
« Reply #9 on: Friday 12 January 18 08:24 GMT (UK) »
My father Willaim Allan Christian never talked about his family at all so all I know is what I've found out from Ancestry and other sources such as my parents marriage certificate with John Edward Christian ( armed Forces, no idea of which branch, Army. Navy etc ) as father living at Wykeham Street, Liverpool. Buried at Anfield Cemertry 1953
John Edward Christian's wife was Catherine Dowell traced back to Sheltand and her siblings who lived in Liverpool.

I have a full copy of my fathers army records but no nothing of his first 20 years of life, no even a birth certificate, baptism , anything would be good though.

They lived at no 3 Stanley road IOM
Parents are
William Christian and  Elizabeth Catherine Clarke
I found possible siblings of
William Henry and Thomas ( KGarrad has found Evangeline Mabel - 14 Sep 1886 (mother Elizabeth Catherine Clarke)
Maud Evelyn - 28 Apr 1894 )

John Christian and Henry Clarke found on marriage information re: KGarrad and IOM records




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Re: William Christian
« Reply #10 on: Friday 12 January 18 09:18 GMT (UK) »
Civil Registration of Births and deaths started on the Isle of Man in 1878.
I can't see John Edward on ManxBMD.com, so it looks as if he missed out on a Birth Certificate :-\

His baptism is on Ancestry though:
Isle of Man, Select Births and Baptisms, 1821-1911

And also on FamilySearch.org
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J33R-KYK


There is a 12 year old John Christian on the 1891 census; a Fisherman, born Peel, living Rushen.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4B2R-33Z
The Herring Way (Bayr ny Skeddan) runs from Peel to Castletown, and was used by the herring fisherman to commute from 1 port to the other; so I think this is your man?

Possibly, he is in Toxteth Park in 1901?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9KK-WFK
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #11 on: Friday 12 January 18 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the help so far, it's put me on the right track for my grandparents as I had doubts because in my fathgers paperwork for his army service it has his mother as Elizabeth Allan in 1936 but Mrs C Christian in 1950 So that'll be a work in progress for later but I can continue with his side now

Once again thanks for all your input and help

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #12 on: Friday 12 January 18 21:20 GMT (UK) »
If this is John Edward Christian in 1911, he has a brother

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lbh/

John Edward Christian Head 33   Kirk Andrews  Isle Of Man
Catherine Christian   Wife    33   Liverpool, Lancashire
William Lawrence Christian   Brother 30    Kirk Andrews  Isle Of Man

but wrong William - it would be a late baptism?
William Laurence Christian
Baptism Date:   21 May 1882 at    Andreas, Isle of Man
Father John Christian Parents: John Christian & Elizabeth Quayle

Peel and Kirk Andreas are some distance apart, so different people?

Added:
Different people, so ignore above - found another John E Christian in 1881.

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #13 on: Friday 12 January 18 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Different people, I think, chempat! ;D
I saw the 1911 reference to Kirk Andrews - that has to be Kirk Andreas?
As I intimated earlier - there are an awful lot of Christian's! ::)

I think this might be William's baptism?
5 January 1851 at Patrick
William Thomas Christian, son of John Christian (fisherman) and Eliza.

Peel is almost at the conjunction of 2 parishes - Patrick and German ;D
This is the only William baptism, in either Patrick or German, 1850 to 1860.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #14 on: Friday 12 January 18 21:46 GMT (UK) »
John e
The william 1851-1922 and catherine 1854-? I found has john edward as son and also william henry and thomas hope this helps to clear it up a little :D

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #15 on: Friday 12 January 18 22:20 GMT (UK) »
I cannot see a birth for a William Allan Christian with mmn Dowell in Liverpool (or anywhere else) has it been incorrectly recorded?

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #16 on: Friday 12 January 18 22:32 GMT (UK) »
No, as far as I can make out he never had a birth certificate, I do know that in the late 1970's he had to go to the local MP in Southend on Sea, Essex to obtain a passport to go abroad, despite having served in the army for many years including the Far East.  This has been my major problem in tracing his family as I never knew who they were and he never talked about them.   I know nothing about his first 20 years of life so I have no sources to refer to.  I have one random photo of 2 old people which may be totally wrong and that's all I know regarding his family

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Re: William Christian
« Reply #17 on: Friday 12 January 18 22:45 GMT (UK) »
So there is the possibility that John Edward and Catherine are not his parents?

I can see no births for Christian/Dowell, which is why I am getting confused.

Do you know when and where Catherine died, or did William's parents separate/divorce?