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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 13 January 18 10:36 GMT (UK) »
Think you've got it Ruskie  :). Sounds the same as Croxted & a Crookstead Lane must have led to it.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 January 18 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Think you've got it Ruskie  :). Sounds the same as Croxted & a Crookstead Lane must have led to it.

I've added to my last post Josey. Definitely the same place.

As for where Croxted Lane and Yard are, the maps don't show enough detail unfortunately, but there are so few roads that one of them must be Croxted Lane. Croxted Lane Yard might suggest an area off the back of the lane.

According to the maps Crockstead looks to be a large farm - I wonder if Croxted Lane is the lane to the farm from the main road (currently the A22), and "Croxted Lane Yard" is literally a yard off the lane with a dwelling where they lived?  :-\

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 13 January 18 10:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you  Ruskie and  josey, I have seen these maps before but they don't give any clues to Croxted Lane Yard. The PR for his burial says abode Croxted Lane but he definitely lived at Pale House Common which is born out by the newspaper article. The place where he committed suicide was Honeys Green which is just to the east of Croxted,(Crockstead). I don't know if the record from familyhistoryonline is transcribed the same on FindMyPast but that says burial at Croxted Lane Yard which may have been a part of St. Thomas but no one there seems to know and I have also contacted the parish council years ago and still drawn a blank.

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 13 January 18 10:57 GMT (UK) »
There seems to be some anomalies as to the wording recording where he is buried.

Locating the original PR would be the best thing to do. Even a newspaper article back in those days may not be accurate.

He may have recently moved from Croxted to Palehouse Common or maybe he was of no fixed abode or was staying with family hence the different abodes recorded?

I find it difficult to believe that he would have been buried on a farm, though maybe it was permitted as he had committed suicide.

St Thomas may be the parish rather than the church?  :-\

I think it possible that the Lane was the road you can see on the maps which ran from the main road, currently the A22, to the farmstead named as Croxted.

This may be the "yard":
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=50.9410&lon=0.1252&layers=6&right=BingHyb

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 13 January 18 11:16 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if the record from familyhistoryonline is transcribed the same on FindMyPast but that says burial at Croxted Lane Yard

It says (under "notes") Croxted Lane.
No Yard!

Jeremiah had previously been treated for melancholia, according to The Keep
http://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_HC_1_2_2_24_5136

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 13 January 18 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Here you can see the two houses facing the A22, on either side of what i am proposing is Crockstead Lane:

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=50.9388&lon=0.1238&layers=6&right=BingHyb

And the same houses today on google maps streetview:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lbk/

(the lane leads to what is now Crockstead Farm Hotel)

... I may be completely wrong of course ...  ;D

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 13 January 18 11:30 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if the record from familyhistoryonline is transcribed the same on FindMyPast but that says burial at Croxted Lane Yard

It says (under "notes") Croxted Lane.
No Yard!

Jeremiah had previously been treated for melancholia, according to The Keep
http://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_HC_1_2_2_24_5136

So Croxted Lane is not necessarily his place of burial?

Added: I believe that Family History Online was bought out by FindMyPast, so presumably the transcriptions would still be as they were on Family History Online.

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 13 January 18 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Not sure now where that yard came from!
Jeremiah seems to be buried at St Thomas
And abode was Croxted Lane

Stan's posts on the burial of suicides after 1823 may be illuminating
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=237463.0


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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 13 January 18 12:32 GMT (UK) »
i noticed the mention of dates of statutes related to burial of suicides in the discussion on my link at reply #11.

So ...
Burial: St Thomas.
abode: Croxted Lane

Too easy.  ;D