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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 13 January 18 00:50 GMT (UK) »
As I read this, his abode was Croxted Lane and he was buried in the graveyard of St Thomas Church.

I thought that suicides weren't allowed to be buried within the churchyard though.  :-\

Added: Having a quick look at an old map, I couldn't see a churchyard or burial ground around Palehouse Common - maybe Framfield was the closest, or the family church? (Am on ipad so find it a little more difficult to be thorough when looking at maps) :)

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 13 January 18 02:05 GMT (UK) »
As I read this, his abode was Croxted Lane and he was buried in the graveyard of St Thomas Church.

I thought that suicides weren't allowed to be buried within the churchyard though.  :-\

Added: Having a quick look at an old map, I couldn't see a churchyard or burial ground around Palehouse Common - maybe Framfield was the closest, or the family church? (Am on ipad so find it a little more difficult to be thorough when looking at maps) :)

Thats how I read it but the census says he's living at Pale House Common as does the newspaper article. Not sure about suicide burials within church yard but if this was the case it still poses the issue of where Croxted Lane Yard was.

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 January 18 09:23 GMT (UK) »
Without knowing what the newspaper article says, or details of the census, remember that the census is just a snapshot of one night in ten years.

A discussion about burials of suicides here:
https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-61132.html

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 13 January 18 09:34 GMT (UK) »
Without knowing what the newspaper article says, or details of the census, remember that the census is just a snapshot of one night in ten years.

A discussion about burials of suicides here:
https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-61132.html

I tried to upload the newspaper article but the rootschat won't let me for some strange reason, don't usually have a problem.

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 13 January 18 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Presumably you have Lready searched old maps for Croxted Lane/Yard?

Can you transcribe the relevant parts of the newspaper article if you think that knowing it's contents might help?  :-\

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 13 January 18 09:50 GMT (UK) »
Presumably you have Lready searched old maps for Croxted Lane/Yard?

Can you transcribe the relevant parts of the newspaper article if you think that knowing it's contents might help?  :-\

Yes I've looked at maps of area around that time and there is no sign of Croxted Lane Yard.

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 13 January 18 09:55 GMT (UK) »
I will have a look later when I am on my desktop PC.  :)

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 January 18 10:09 GMT (UK) »
Here's Framfield on a 25 in to the mile probably 1870s
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=50.9638&lon=0.1271&layers=168&b=1
As has been pointed out, no road names....

NannyJan's suggestion in reply #1 is worth following up or a local history society. There's a parish council website
https://www.framfieldcouncil.org.uk/

ADDED: Here's the description for 1891 piece [as best I can read it]
RG12; Piece: 784; Folio: 22; Page: 10
All that part of the parish of Framfield commencing at Brook House following the road to Cooper Hatch by way of High Cross Croxted and Whitelock from there to Bentley Farms and Tarble Down from there by way of Sand Hill and Honeys Green to that  part of Barnet Wood on the south side  from the parish road leading from Maule Gate to the turnpike road the whole of Canon [?] Green and Pale House Common following the road by New Place from thence to Arches Farm

Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Lost burial ground, Framfield.
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 13 January 18 10:32 GMT (UK) »
There is Crockstead, just south of Palehouse Common:

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=50.9402&lon=0.1248&layers=6&right=BingHyb\

Brookhouse and High Cross as per the description given by Josey:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=50.9516&lon=0.1209&layers=6&right=BingHyb
(seems to be heading in the right direction for Crockstead - maybe)  :-\

Changed to a different map to find Crockstead called Croxsted:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=50.9392&lon=0.1275&layers=1&right=BingHyb
(Sandhill and Honey's Green from Josey's description can also be seen)

[you can zoom in and out of the maps to see more]