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Re: 'Part II Order' meaning on army records?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 12 January 18 16:14 GMT (UK) »
I appreciate the time you've put into this. Thank you very much.

Can I ask about where you've written "Letter from man via next of kin": does this mean that he must have written home to Britain as a PoW and that they in turn informed the army of his situation?

The 'Statement of the Services' form you asked about is too big to be attached - I'll try to find a solution asap.

My main focus for the moment is understanding his movements around the Middle East during 1942-3 before being posted in Kos. However, I did wonder if there any way of ascertaining when he was sent to the Aegean? I'm aware that Churchill was focused on the Aegean islands from early 1943: could the Coy Base Depot (from the 12.08.43 posting) be on Kos?

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Re: 'Part II Order' meaning on army records?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 12 January 18 17:43 GMT (UK) »
es, that part is quite clear, he wrote home although he would have been previously (as his record says) recorded as "missing".

The connection with Kos and Leos is 234 Infantry Brigade to whom he had been posted.  They were the main invasion force for the operations on Kos and Leros.  This is where his record is not really clear.  The force invaded Leros and Kos at the same time if his record is correct than he was on Kos but the record also says Leros.  Whatever, I would not wish to go firm on the exact details of his time in that operation, guesswork can up with all sorts of rubbish!  It really needs analysis of the papers that exist on the operation.  The location of 161 Field Ambulance may help too when/if it can be found.
As to where he was prior to this, again the real answer can only come from looking at the various war diaries.

More later.

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Re: 'Part II Order' meaning on army records?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 January 18 15:07 GMT (UK) »
My main focus for the moment is understanding his movements around the Middle East during 1942-3 before being posted in Kos.

Mission almost impossible without extensive research at the National Archives and elsewhere.  I should explain.

Unlike, say, an infantry battalion or a tank regiment, those doing the actual fighting, the war histories of less glamorous but no less valuable units particularly in the support services, are not well documented.  There are some war diaries for the units he was with but typically they do not mention individual soldiers and at best are listings of "sent 27 lorries to x" or "headquarters moved to y".  That may be useful for giving an idea of whereabouts in the desert his company was working but there is no way of knowing which of the 40 or so vehicles he was working with so a war diary is most likely to be a waste of money. 
My suggestion would be to read what you can on the campaign in North Africa, concentrating on Sep 42 to Aug 43.
In essence, there is only so far one can go with on-line sources so how much deeper you go depends on how deep your pockets are and how prepared for disappointment you are.  I've trawled the RLC archive (successor to the RASC) and have looked for mentions of the various companies on a more specialised site - without real success.

Meanwhile, I am still attempting to confirm which divisions the various companies were with and also trying to clarify more about the Kos/Leros period.  More when I have it.

Sorry to be gloomy but that is the way is.  All that said, lady luck might just find a Rootschat member whose granddad also served in one of the units and who left a story of his experiences behind!



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It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: 'Part II Order' meaning on army records?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 15 January 18 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Can you give me his name and number so I may cross check any POW listings to try to make sense of the Kos/Leros period.

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I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



Double  Essex/Suffolk
Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia