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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 14 January 18 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Can only see two children who are registered to them who do not appear in at least one census. These are-
Harriet Elizabeth born 1876 died 1879 in Aston
Alice born 1882 died 1886 in Aston

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Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)

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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 14 January 18 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Isobel. I had noted them down when I originally did a rough search this morning on FreeBMD, so now I know they were definitely 2 of the missing 8.

Judy
Blair, Marshall, Williamson - Ayrshire, Wigtownshire
Saxton, Sketchley - Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire
Brown, Green - Rutland
Hawker, Malone, Bradbury, Arnott, Turner, Woodings, Blakemore, Upton, Merricks - Warwickshire, Staffordshire
Silvers, Dudley, Worcs
Deakin - Staffordshire

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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 20 January 18 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello
Here's the ones I can see-
Alfred Theodore Sep 1875
Harriet Elizabeth Dec 1876
Rose Dec 1878
Samuel Herbert Sep 1880
Alice June 1882
Edwin James Mar 1884
Albert Henry June 1885
Gladys Maud June 1886
Harriet Kate Sep 1888
Alexander George Sep 1896

So what are the other 5?

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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 20 January 18 11:11 GMT (UK) »
HAWKER, ALFRED  THEODORE     GEORGE      1875  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 397
HAWKER, HARRIET  ELIZABETH     GEORGE      1876  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 408
HAWKER, ROSE       GEORGE      1878  D Quarter in ASTON  Vol 06D  Page 359
HAWKER, SAMUEL  HERBERT     GEORGE      1880  S Qtr in ASTON  Vol 06D  Page 370
HAWKER, ALICE       GEORGE      1882  J Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 428
HAWKER, EDWIN  JAMES     GEORGE      1884  M Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 426
HAWKER, ALBERT  HENRY     GEORGE     1885  J Quarter in MILTON  Volume 02A  Page 867
HAWKER, GLADYS  MAUD     GEORGE      1886  J Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 425
HAWKER, HARRIET  KATE     GEORGE      1888  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 368

HAWKER, ALEXANDER  GEORGE     GEORGE      1896  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 351
When & where did Samuel hawker & phoebe george marry?

it may be the 1911 schedule mistakenly includes stillbirths?
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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 20 January 18 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you ciderdrinker for taking the trouble on my part to find the missing children.

I haven't been able to search more lately as have been tied up with domestic duties! 😀

I did notice on a rough search of FreeBMD for Hawker births during that period there was at least 1 child who was not even named.

Thank you once again.

Judy
Blair, Marshall, Williamson - Ayrshire, Wigtownshire
Saxton, Sketchley - Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire
Brown, Green - Rutland
Hawker, Malone, Bradbury, Arnott, Turner, Woodings, Blakemore, Upton, Merricks - Warwickshire, Staffordshire
Silvers, Dudley, Worcs
Deakin - Staffordshire

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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 20 January 18 11:26 GMT (UK) »
PaulineJ,
Thanks to you too very much.

Samuel Hawker and Phoebe George were married on 4th October 1874 at All Saints, Birmingham. Phoebe and Samuel were both born c1854 I think.

I have found only Alfred Theodore, Rose, Samuel H, Edwin James, Gladys Maud, Harriet Kate and Alexander G to date so this extra information fills some gaps.

Judy
Blair, Marshall, Williamson - Ayrshire, Wigtownshire
Saxton, Sketchley - Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire
Brown, Green - Rutland
Hawker, Malone, Bradbury, Arnott, Turner, Woodings, Blakemore, Upton, Merricks - Warwickshire, Staffordshire
Silvers, Dudley, Worcs
Deakin - Staffordshire

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Re: Samuel & Phoebe Hawker had 15 children but I only found 7!
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 20 January 18 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Albert Henry 1885 Milton is not part of this family. He can be found in Milton in 1891 with parents Albert J and Emily E. Looking at the births of other siblings on GRO it appears mmn for Albert Henry may actually be Gouge ( not George).
Isobel
Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)