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Help with marriage in Latin (Czech records)
« on: Sunday 14 January 18 16:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
 Please could someone help fill in the blanks with this marriage on 18th September 1719 of Paul Berger ? to Dorothea ? daughter of late Francis ?

Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

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Re: Help with marriage in Latin (Czech records)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 January 18 17:18 GMT (UK) »
I'm finding this one tricky, and if it's anything like English registers written in Latin, they sometimes put a non-Latin word in for occupations because there isn't a Latin equivalent.

Anyway, Paul Berger looks right, then the next two words are likely to be an occupation or a residence.

The word immediately after Dorothea is Vidua - widow, but the next bit I can work out appears to be defunctum Franciscum Mentzl civem Caruds:(?) par: (the late Francis Mentzl citizen of the parish of Caruds.) If this was the name of her late husband I would expect it to have different case endings: defuncti Francisci Mentzl civis... so the intervening words that I can't get might have some bearing on it. Caruds is presumably some other place - the colon may well indicate that this is an abbreviation.

Finally there's the priest's name Jospeh Czeyzl, and witnesses (T:) - Georgius Martinecz, Doroth. Feiferova, and a bit more that I can't get.

Edit:
Just seen your next post - what I have as Caruds: might be Chruds:
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Help with marriage in Latin (Czech records)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 January 18 17:29 GMT (UK) »
I think it could be Paul Berger, native of Moravia ?
ADDED - natione Moravus (= by nationality a Moravian)

The place name may be a latinization of Chrudim ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrudim

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Re: Help with marriage in Latin (Czech records)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 January 18 20:38 GMT (UK) »
I think it could be Paul Berger, native of Moravia ?
ADDED - natione Moravus (= by nationality a Moravian)
Good idea - and now you've suggested it, I can easily see that.

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The place name may be a latinization of Chrudim ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrudim
The image in the second thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=785753.0 includes the word Chrudimensis, so Chrudis seems a reasonable abbreviation.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Help with marriage in Latin (Czech records) Completed
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 January 18 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much, Bookbox & Arthurk. I think you are right with native of Moravia - unfortunately rather a large area in which to look for him! I will see if I can find Dorothy 's earlier marriage.
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR