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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #27 on: Monday 15 January 18 04:00 GMT (UK) »
1951/18026   Furness   Charles George   85Y



Burial record for Charles George Furness

Date of death
19 February 1951

Age at death
85

Gender
Male

Region
West

Interment type
Scattered Ashes

Funeral director
W H Tongue

Additional information
Comments: Cremated 21/2/1951 / Dr Walton Mt Eden Rd / Dr Drury Ponsonby Rd Scattered 22/2/51 Place Of Death:


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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #28 on: Monday 15 January 18 04:16 GMT (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #29 on: Monday 15 January 18 04:21 GMT (UK) »
Cemetery details for Ellen Louisa Stewart [born 1864] nee Furness:

Burial record for Ellen Louisa Stewart

Date of death
30 September 1912

Age at death
48 Years

Gender
Female

Region
North

Cemetery name
O'neill's Point Cemetery

Plot location
Public Area Row G Plot 48

Interment type
Full Burial

Date of burial
1 October 1912

Funeral director
No Director -
Unknown


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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #30 on: Monday 15 January 18 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Janette and Minnie

Amazing amount of useful information, thank you borth so much, I am sending of  for the printout of the death certificate today.

Kind Regards

David :D :D

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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #31 on: Monday 15 January 18 14:26 GMT (UK) »
H Janette/ Minnie & Rosie

I was going through some old genealogy papers this morning and I found some results from some paid research I had done in New Zealand in 2000, which I had totally forgotten about.

Amongst these papers was the death certificate for Elizabeth Soall nee Clare showing that he married in London in 1838 (which I cannot find in FreeBMD. Her father was James a Farmer , but the mother was Elizabeth and not Fanny and she was born in Buckingham not Chesham.

The only wedding of an Elizabeth Clare in 1838 was in Westminster wger James Charles Soall was born, but he is not one of the grooms, there is another wedding in the Witney RD, but it only shows Elizabeth Clare and no groom.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

David :D

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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #32 on: Monday 15 January 18 17:32 GMT (UK) »

....  the death certificate for Elizabeth Soall nee Clare showing that he married in London in 1838 (which I cannot find in FreeBMD. Her father was James a Farmer , but the mother was Elizabeth and not Fanny and she was born in Buckingham not Chesham.

The only wedding of an Elizabeth Clare in 1838 was in Westminster wger James Charles Soall was born, but he is not one of the grooms, there is another wedding in the Witney RD, but it only shows Elizabeth Clare and no groom.


Hi David

At the outset, you'd mentioned that you thought James SOALL and Elizabeth CLARE may have married on the ship en route to New Zealand.   ???
*    Was your reason for this that you'd not found a marriage in England, for them ??

Maybe the information provided at Elizabeth's death in 1877 was given by her husband ... though it might also have been supplied by another party ?   Whatever, there's no guarantee it is totally correct - especially in respect of the date (year) of marriage ... or whether a marriage in fact took place between the two.    Other resources need checking. 

Can you tell us please >

*   Were the daughters of the union born in England ?

*   Do you have the name of ship on which James and Elizabeth came to New Zealand ?
Edit :   ... oops I've just noticed at Reply # 26 that "J.C. SOALL is thought to have arrived in NZ c. 1842" so daughters probably NZ-born ?


[I've looked at England marriage records > numerous sources / and using variants of surnames >
but to date no luck with 1838 or any other years.  ]

    ~   Lu

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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #33 on: Monday 15 January 18 17:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lu

They arrived on 1 of 2 ships that arrived in 1842 in Auckland one of them was the Jane Gifford, I have a picture  which includes James taken in 1892 of those first settlers who arrived in 1842. Both the children were born in Auckland Louisa and Elizabth.

Like you I have scoured the marriage records in London and also the 841 Census  but with no success, it was James who gave the information for the death certificate. I think ther might be a possibility that they were married on board the ship by the Captain, as when thy landed they went to work for him in his house in Khyber Pass Road.

Elizabeth Mary born 1843 and Louisa born 1844.

Kind Regards

David :D

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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #34 on: Monday 15 January 18 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the clarification, David.    ;)    (Sorry I was being a bit lazy in not opening some of the earlier links given here.  )    Will keep looking.

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Re: Elizabeth Soall died 1877 in Auckland
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 07:47 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen this? includes cartoon type drawing of Mr. Soall......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/observer/1892/10/15/16


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
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GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.