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Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« on: Monday 15 January 18 08:15 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately compressing this document has made it slightly less legible (if necessary I can put it into Dropbox?). I don't need to comprehend every word, but would like to be able to verify names and dates and perhaps a couple of other words for curiosity value. Everything except the ??? can be ignored - have just added a few words as a guide.

James Balne of the city of Bristol (???) Taylor [a district of Bristol], but now of (???) otherwise (???) [Colonel?] Regiment of Volunteers...ffirst my son John being fully provided... only one shilling...my beloved wife Betty all my (???) to my ground ??? or known by the ??? in the parish of ??? in the said County of Somerset...
[next bit not very important and I get most of it]
...my said brother Gyles in trust for my youngest son James to be paid and delivered to him at the age of 21... or if said son dies... to sister Sarah ??? of London(?) widow and in ??? said sister Sarah ??? should die... to her daughter Mary Rutson oldest daughter of my said sister Sarah wife of ??? (aar) Rutson bookbinder...
nominate brother Giles to be executor, etc....
seventeenth day of December 1761(?)...

This Will was proved at London on the 3rd day of January 1767(?) before... Prerogative Court of Canterbury...

Something I am also trying to understand is why this Bristol man is writing his will in Canterbury, and also why it seems to be 5 years before it is "proved". It seems that he signed up for an army, and Wikipedia tells me that Britain was involved in the Seven Years' War at that time.

(I'm still in the early days of trying to untangle some older generations of Balnes again and I see some conflicting relationships in Ancestry.)

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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 January 18 09:24 GMT (UK) »
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to fill in the gaps (City of Bristol for instance) but the reference to Canterbury doesn't mean he wrote his will there - it was proved in the PCC as the highest court of probate in the country because he left property in more than one diocese probably, although some people did it for status reasons

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Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire

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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 January 18 09:31 GMT (UK) »
Oh, I see - thanks, Steve. Any idea why it may have been such a long time between writing and being proved?

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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 January 18 09:48 GMT (UK) »
As you say, it becomes unfocused when you try to zoom in.
It would be better if you just clipped and posted the small sections that are the most important to you.

Having said that, I think it says
"..of the city of Bristol Merchant tailor.....

It does look like it is 'Colonel Toro...... otherwise To... Regiment" - too difficult to make out the exact letters to be sure.

..... my beloved wife Betty all my right Title and Interest of and into my Ground called or know by the name of Ayehill(?) field

.... my said sister wife of Isaac Rutson.......
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 January 18 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Just checked.
This is the entry on The National Archives Discovery website for his will in the PCC.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D736034
Did you find it on here or on Ancestry? - Ancestry have the PCC wills filmed.

He is indeed 'Merchant Tailor", and now of Colonel Toroney's Regiment of volunteers of Bristol.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 January 18 10:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that Goldie - good idea about clippping into smaller sections, which I'll attach to this, but I'll work on your suggestions in the meantime.

I have access to Ancestry for 6 months and so am making use of what I can find there. This one was attached to someone else's Balne tree but I'm not sure yet if it's all correct and so trying to work out what's what as I create my own tree on another platform.

Google tells me that there was a place called Aye Hill (aka Hay Hill) in Middlesex - now London, Westminster - which I'll follow up later.

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 January 18 11:26 GMT (UK) »
A few things:

I believe the first surname given to the Colonel is Towney.  The "otherwise" name eludes me at present.

The words relating to Ayehill are as follows:

                                                                      ...all
my Right Title and Interest of and into my Ground called
or known by the Name of Ayehill ffield in the parish of
Compondendo in the said County of Somerset...


Presumably that parish name is meant to be Compton Dando.

ADDED:

By the way, he is:  ...^late^ of the City of Bristol...

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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 January 18 11:36 GMT (UK) »
...unto my Sister Sarah ffortescue of
London widow and in case my said Sister Sarah ffortescue should...

...wife of Isaac Rutson Bookbinder...


ADDED:

The dates are as you thought.

Signed:    17 December 1761
Proved:    3 January 1767

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Re: Help required deciphering a 1760s will
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 January 18 11:44 GMT (UK) »
The gap between the date of the will and probate may be because he didn't die for many years after making it. He doesn't include the usual formula "being sick in body but of sound memory..." but comments on the uncertainty of life. Perhaps because he was going to war. Do you know when he died?
Bumstead - London, Suffolk
Plant, Woolnough, Wase, Suffolk
Flexney, Godfrey, Burson, Hobby -  Oxfordshire
Street, Mitchell - Gloucestershire
Horwood, Heale Drew - Bristol
Gibbs, Gait, Noyes, Peters, Padfield, Board, York, Rogers, Horler, Heale, Emery, Clavey, Mogg, - Somerset
Fook, Snell - Devon
M(a)cDonald, Yuell, Gollan, McKenzie - Rosshire
McLennan, Mackintosh - Inverness
Williams, Jones - Angelsey & Caernarvon
Campbell, McMartin, McLellan, McKercher, Perthshire