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Birth & Death Certificates
« on: Monday 15 January 18 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello, I'm hoping someone can help me (again) as I am losing the will to live trying to track down myself!
I want to order the Birth and Death Certificates of my great grandfather, Charles James Hardy. I have his marriage certificate to Susan Lawrence in 1891 (in Croydon) and from this his birth year is 1866. I believe Susan Hardy died in 1943 aged 75.
All my searches have failed so far - can anyone help please?
Thank you
Peter Lawrence (if you are wondering why my surname isn't Hardy, it's because my grandfather was born illegitimately and married with his mothers surname, Lawrence).

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 January 18 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Greetings.

My initial thought is thatis the marriage cert gives the name and occupation of Charles' father, this would help track him on a census to establish where Charles was born.  This would narrow down the search for a birth registration.

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 January 18 20:57 GMT (UK) »
A free index search of the 1939 Register suggests he may have gone by "James" at that stage.  The censuses show that he claimed a Pimlico birthplace.

You may want to bear this death registration in mind: James Hardy aged 86, Sep qtr 1952 Croydon.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 January 18 21:00 GMT (UK) »
In 1901, he is 35 so born about 1866. He gives his birth place as London. In 1891, he gives his birth place as Pimlico, London

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 January 18 21:04 GMT (UK) »
The marriage certificate gives his father as James Hardy (deceased) and profession of father as Carpenter. Charles was born in Pimlico, London. It didn't help me.

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 January 18 21:56 GMT (UK) »
I wonder whether in fact he grew up in the Pimlico/Westminster area, thinking (mistakenly) that he had been born there.

In 1871 we see this family among many at 6 Carteret St, St Margaret Westminster:

James Hardy Head Mar 41 Carpenter unemployed Southwark
Jane E do Wife Mar 41 no occupation Knightsbridge
Mary E do Daur 7 Scholar Westminster
James do Son 5 Scholar Lower Sydenham

RG10/127/55/9

Likely birth registrations for the children:

Mary Emma Hardy, mmn Sutcliffe, Sep qtr 1863 Westminster
James Hardy, mmn Sutcliffe, Jun qtr 1866 Lewisham
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 January 18 22:18 GMT (UK) »
Marriage: James Hardy to Jane Elizabeth Sutcliffe, Mar qtr 1859 Lambeth.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 January 18 22:22 GMT (UK) »
By 1881 James snr has died - possibly James Hardy aged 50, Mar qtr 1879 Croydon.

33 Hawthorn Grove, Penge (Croydon registration district)

Jane E Hardy Head Wid 52 Charwoman Knightsbridge
Mary E do Daur 17 Westminster
James do Son 15 Fishmonger's boy Kent Sydenham

RG11/824/111/47
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Birth & Death Certificates
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 January 18 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Then Jane and Mary seem to die at about the same time (at least the deaths are registered close enough in time to be on the same page of 10 deaths):

Jane Elizabeth Hardy aged 58
Mary Emma Hardy aged 23

both Mar qtr 1887 Croydon 2a 132.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)