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Offline lorraineosborne

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Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« on: Tuesday 16 January 18 18:51 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to sort out my ancestors - it is proving very difficult. 
Richard Williams and Martha are on the 1871 census living in Preston, Sussex.  They have a 2 month old son, Stephen, born in Preston in 1871.  Martha's title is wife. Richard Williams was born in Bishop's Castle, Shropshire.  I have checked the GRO indexes and I feel sure Martha's maiden name is Smith.  However, I can't find a marriage for them. 
I found a Richard Williams on the 1861 census aged 38, a lodger in Westminster but down as married.  I can't be sure if it is him. Can find a Richard Williams born in Bishop's Castle, Shropshire with a family up to 1861 but can't be sure if its the right person.
I am hoping someone can help at least with the Sussex part of this query.
Loz

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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 19:03 GMT (UK) »
1871 census, since you don't give it in full.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFDC-MYZ (no kids other than Stephen)

1881:  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9X2-F71 (stephen using JOHN )

1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:48GP-62M (in Brighton, with another child)

1901 for Stephen J , now married. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9X2-F71

which particular census entries are you considering for Richard williams?
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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 20:19 GMT (UK) »
If the 7 year old Edward in 1881 was born in Ripe, then his birth reg might be
June 1874 Lewes 2b 179
Williams, Edward
mother Reed

And whilst I can see a Martha Reed of approximately the right age born Hellingly in the census, I can't see a Martha Smith.
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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 20:24 GMT (UK) »
Baptism, 8 April 1832, Hellingly
Martha
Dr. of John & Maria Reed
abode Hellingly
father a Labourer

She could be a servant in Brighton in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJJ-H5C

Possibly might be her in Hove in 1861?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7BF-YLR

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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 21:16 GMT (UK) »
 Hi Pauline J
I started with the ones I know to be true -
 1901 census -  Richard Williams aged 78, born Bishops Castle, Shropshire







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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Lost the thread!

and Martha Williams wife 69, born Hellingley, Sussex.  living in Surbiton, Surrey.

Before that 1891 census - Richard Williams
                                      Martha Williams
                                      Stephen J Williams 20
                                      Edward Williams 16

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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 21:30 GMT (UK) »
Back to 1851 census, I was looking at Richard Williams Head aged 30 Labourer born More, Shropshire.
                                                        Elizabeth Williams 35 born Montgomeryshire
                                                        Richard Williams    b 1846
                                                        Jane Williams        b 1848
                                                        Mary Williams        b 1849
                                                        William Williams    -   -  -

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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 January 18 22:01 GMT (UK) »
I can see the birth record for Edward Williams with mmn as Reed but I can't find one to correspond for the older son Edward. 

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Re: Martha Smith born 1831/2 in Hellingley, Sussex.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 00:51 GMT (UK) »
Maybe...

Richard Williams    m  Martha Davies 1863  Knighton 11b   293    

Knighton is about 20Km from Bishops Castle.