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Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« on: Wednesday 17 January 18 10:34 GMT (UK) »
Good morning all,

Would anyone please be willing to help me read and understand my great-grandfather's WW1 record? I have a folder with the images here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sgcur9rzd9AIICrZ70IUIyvmIPoREEXK

I'm particularly interested in deciphering his mother's name on the next of kin portion and when/where he served - France if I'm reading it right?

Thanks very much in advance for any help.  :)

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Morning and welcome.

I read his mother's name as Mrs Anne Butcher of 14 (?) Woodfield Crescent Westbourne Park.

He served in  France in  two spells 31 Aug 1916 to 7 Feb 1917  and 18 Oct 1917 to 13 Jun 1919 .  In between he was sick in UK and deserted spending 2 months in military prison.

A more coherent sequence of all the events in his service will take a little time, would you like that done?

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Thank you MaxD,

I read his mother's name that way also but am unable to find a wedding between any Butcher and his father William New. Yes, 14 Woodfield Crescent, he was on the electoral roll there after leaving the Army so that ties in nicely, thanks.

I would love a more coherent sequence of events. Having no knowledge of WW1 until now it's challenging for me to work out a timeline of events.

Thanks again  :)


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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 11:49 GMT (UK) »
OK on the case.

Marriage of Annie Luisa New to Henry Thomas Butcher Newbury Sep 1903 - is that a possible??

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 12:49 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Annie Luisa New to Henry Thomas Butcher Newbury Sep 1903 - is that a possible??
MaxD

This would fit with:
marriage: Jun qtr 1885 Newbury vol 2c p248 - Peter NEW and Annie Louisa TEAL
birth: Jun qtr 1894 Newbury vol 2c p229 - Leonard James NEW mmn TEAL
death: Dec qtr 1901 Newbury vol 2c p151 - Peter NEW age 39

Philip

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 13:47 GMT (UK) »
OK on the case.

Marriage of Annie Luisa New to Henry Thomas Butcher Newbury Sep 1903 - is that a possible??

MaxD

Thanks so much MaxD. I think it'll need to be the other way round as the marriage cert states father's name as William New, unless Leonard kept his mother's surname, is that usual?

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of Annie Luisa New to Henry Thomas Butcher Newbury Sep 1903 - is that a possible??
MaxD

This would fit with:
marriage: Jun qtr 1885 Newbury vol 2c p248 - Peter NEW and Annie Louisa TEAL
birth: Jun qtr 1894 Newbury vol 2c p229 - Leonard James NEW mmn TEAL
death: Dec qtr 1901 Newbury vol 2c p151 - Peter NEW age 39

Philip

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Thank you for your warm welcome Philip and the info you provided. Leonard's put his mother on his Army docs with the surname Butcher and his father on the marriage cert in 1921 as William, and Annie Butcher is showing up on the electoral roll at the address on the Army docs, so I don't think that fits with the Peter or the maiden name of Teal, thanks though  :)

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 14:55 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn't discount Philip's info just yet in spite of the name anomalies.
He attested into the 9th. Mddx. Regt. which is about 6 mls. away from Harrow where the Leonard New Philip found was living.
Had a quick look & Peter New died in 1901 Newbury & Annie Louisa New went on to marry Henry Thomas Butcher in 1903.
In 1911 Annie is living in Paddington with daughter Lilian Butcher whose birth is registered with mmn Teal.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Quite right.

Gertrude Annie NEW (daughter of Peter NEW) marries Horace John WINGER March 1921 Paddington.

They both give their address as 14 Woodfield Crescent.

One of the witnesses is LJ NEW.

Maureen