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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 15:25 GMT (UK) »
Just noticed in 1901 3 doors from Peter & Annie New lives a William Butcher.
This William Butcher had a brother Henry Thomas.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Bit of a problem. There are two marriages for a Leonard James NEW.

One is in Walworth 1913 to a Bessie HARDING. This is the one with father William.

The other is in Paddington 1920 to a CLARKE. This one has the Woodfield Crescent addy and father's name Peter.(Peke on A*try). Obviously the chap from the service records.

So......

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Well done Maureen. Makes sense now.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 15:58 GMT (UK) »
A summary of LJ's record is attached. I haven't given chapter and verse of all the disciplinary occurrences, suffice to say he wasn't the best behaved soldier!  Do ask though if you need any particular bit expanded upon.

I'd go along with friends on his background, won't bore you with my similar thoughts!

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Well done from me too Maureen, hadn't got that vital bit!

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 18:17 GMT (UK) »
Although different father's names it's possible they are one in the same.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 19:06 GMT (UK) »
 :o Wow, my mind is officially blown!

Firstly, MaxD, I really appreciate all the time and energy you put into doing the Army record, thank you so much! I read on the Service and Casualty form what look liked 'disembodied on demobilization' does that mean he lost a limb or something?

I have no idea how on earth you guys 'n' gal come up with all this information so fast, blimey!
As a complete newbie to family histories and trees I have to say I thought I was doing well when I matched the signature on the war record to the one on the marriage cert to try and nail down a date of birth and confirm it was the right person :D but now I see doing an accurate family tree takes a certain way of thinking outside the box to know where to look for info and put the pieces together.

Hopefully you won''t mind if I ask a few questions so I can understand how you got what you did:

How was LJ's mum Annie's maiden name discovered? It's not on the Civil Registration Birth Index and there wasn't a maiden name on FreeBMD.

I'm confused as to why he gave two different names for his father, any clarity would be great, thanks  :)

His first wife remarried in 1921 and on her marriage cert it states she's a widow...!

There's just so much conflicting information it seems, from DOB's to father's names, I found SIX different years of birth for his first wife from Censuses, marriage certs, school admissions, Workhouse admissions etc. How can I be certain I'm putting the correct one on the tree?

Just seen your post jim1, how is it possible they're the same person?

I'm thinking I probably should post this in another place on the forum, hopefully a Mod will move this bit of our conversation if necessary.

Thanks again to all of you. Now all I need to do is get my head around it all  ;D

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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 19:22 GMT (UK) »
I'll answer the easy one - in the military context "disembodied" means that he is out of the service, discharged from military service.
More broadly, you have seen how conflicting information can be - always need to check and cross check.
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Re: Help reading/understanding WW1 record please
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 17 January 18 19:29 GMT (UK) »
Ahh ok, thanks for that. Yep, triple check it twice  ;D

I'll answer the easy one - in the military context "disembodied" means that he is out of the service, discharged from military service.
More broadly, you have seen how conflicting information can be - always need to check and cross check.
Good luck.

MaxD