Author Topic: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?  (Read 410 times)

Offline Ramsin

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Hi - help needed in finding a pub!

The back of a photograph from an album from the Irish side of my family says ‘Mrs. Power, The Pub, Ballinspittle, Co. Cork’.  The photograph is from the 1920s or early 1930s.

The 1911 census has an Ellen Power as a publican in Ballinspittle. Trade directories for the next couple of decades or so list Ellen Power as ‘grocer, vintner and car owner’.  At least a couple of the directories list Mrs E Power under the ‘Hotels’ heading. I’m assuming it is the same Ellen Powell in all the entries.

Just to satisfy my curiosity about Ellen Power (who is not an ancestor of mine), I would love to know the name and address of the pub/hotel. The first column in the 1911 census ‘House and Building Return’
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001948318/   and   http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001948319/

has the heading ‘No. of House or Building’. Ellen Power’s pub is 17.

I am at an early stage of my research of Irish records and would like to know if ‘17’ is the actual building number or simply the 17th building that the enumerator listed. If it actually was no. 17, where was that? I looked around Ballinspittle on Google Street View, but could not spot any house numbers!

Using
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,558735,546176,12,9

alongside Google maps
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6667834,-8.5954541,214m/data=!3m1!1e3?dcr=0

I tried to generally match the buildings with those on enumerator’s return using the post office and the court house as ‘markers’, but that didn’t produce anything conclusive.

So … can anybody help on this?

Many thanks

Ramsin


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Re: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 January 18 00:09 GMT (UK) »
Page 2 of the house hold return tells you 17 is a form number.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001948355/

Her death cert doesn't help, died 1936 so the photo has to be before that.

You can also learn from the house and building return that the pub had 6 windows at the front.
Sometimes it can help to compare the 1911 with the 1901 buildings return.

I've only done this sort of thing with towns I know and even than it's not easy.

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Re: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 January 18 00:26 GMT (UK) »
It is quite likely that the pub would be called ‘Powers’.

Before marriage, Ellen was a Kiely by the looks of this census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Ballinspittle/Ballin_Spittle/1121292/
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Re: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 January 18 01:04 GMT (UK) »
Marriage of James Power RIC Constable  father John Power Farmer 16th August 1888 a widower to Ellen Kiely father Wm Kiely Farmer deceased. Reg Kinsale district. Church Courceys Ballinspittle. Witnesses Wm Brennan & Mgt M Kiely.

1st Marriage for James Power 5th Sept 1886 RIC Constable Father John Power Farmer  to Jane Deasy The Glen Kinsale Co Cork Father John Deasy Shopkeeper

Death of Jane Power 1st July 1887 age 26 wife of Police Constable

Child born to James Power Police Constable John Robert Power 15th May 1887 & Jane Power formely Deasy. John Robert Power died 17th August 1887 delicacy from birth.

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Re: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 January 18 10:08 GMT (UK) »
Seen this?

59. 1 Mar 1925 Lease of Ballinspittle Courthouse for 250 years at £1
p.a. in Ballinspittle, Barony of Courceys, Co. Cork, between Eveleen Anne Sullivan
(lessor), Bandon, Co. Cork, and The Bank of Ireland (mortgages), and Ellen Power
(lessee), Ballinspittle, Co. Cork. Witnessed by R. G. Buckley (Secretary), Bank of
Ireland, Dublin; Peter McCarthy (solicitors clerk), Bandon, Co. Cork; William H.
Randall (law clerk), St. Albans Herts, England.


http://www.corkarchives.ie/media/U195web.pdf
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Re: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 January 18 10:13 GMT (UK) »
In this 1913 Cork Directory page, the names of hotels are stated (where they have a name) but there is no such name for Ellen Power's establishment: http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/streetandtradedirectories/1913guysdirectorylmx/files/assets/basic-html/page116.html
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Re: Ellen Power was a publican in Ballinspittle in the 1920s/30s - but which pub?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 January 18 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to everyone for taking the time and trouble to find links and to make comments, all of which have helped me to build up a good background picture of Ellen Power, as well as giving me some further ideas to work on.

Regards to all, Ramsin.

Lastly, here she is then - Ellen Power, publican, hotelier, vintner, grocer and car owner …