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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 21 January 18 14:13 GMT (UK) »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Class_Movement_Library

thats the one in Salford, Lancs. Is that the one you mentioned?

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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 21 January 18 16:29 GMT (UK) »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Class_Movement_Library

thats the one in Salford, Lancs. Is that the one you mentioned?
Yes. I knew it had a name change.

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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 21 January 18 16:35 GMT (UK) »
Flemish weavers came and settled in many places,noteably the East of England,Norfolk and Suffolk,Long Melford .Lavenham. Saffron Walden.
They brought with them the custom of brasses on burials in churches.
Wool was however the main textile woven.At first wool was bought to be woven in Flanders(Belgium as such did not come into being until the 1800's
when part of French Flanders and Dutch Flanders were joine in the hope that this would be a move for peace.So many conflicts have been "settled" on Belgian soil.)
When English kings did not pay their debts Flemings were forbidden to buy English wool thus severely affecting trade and cash flow.So of course the Flemish buyers  resorted to smuggling.
The wife of Bath says in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales:-
,of cloty-making she handed such an haunt
She surpassed them of Ypres and Gaunt. Gaunt is Ghent.
                   Viktoria.

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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 21 January 18 16:45 GMT (UK) »
I think that "invitation" of Flemish to England by King Edward III is related to his marriage to Philippa Princess of Flanders. Maurice Druon book Accursed Kings gives quite colorful account of that era and marriage itself. But yeah that was 1300's. Looks like in the mid 1500's another wave of Flemish immigrants to South East Lancashire and West Riding Yorkshire, this time its Duke of Alba religious persecutions in Spanish Netherlands...actually Flemish even though live in Belgium, arent Beligians they consider themselves some sort of Dutch. So yeah Protesttants....makes sense Bolton was stronghold of Protestantism during the Civil War.

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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 21 January 18 17:04 GMT (UK) »
If it is of any interest this table from the 1851 Census Report lists the Birth Places of the people for the North Western Counties, and the individual counties, as given in the census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ldw/

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Mapstone, Mapston.
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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 21 January 18 17:08 GMT (UK) »

Kidderminster wow, it Worcestershire. Thats what I thought when they changed "Act of Settlement" which regulated migration to the cotton areas...people from the South flooded the areas.

And yes Flemish in Bolton, I think those were Continental Prostestants, Huguenots right, who came to England because of religious persecutions in Spanish Netherlands, its 1500 right??? They were in Halifax, West Riding of Yorkshire as well. I am not quite sure where else they settled in Lancashire.

Worcestershire is in the English Midlands. One of the earliest textile mills was in Northamptonshire (East Midlands) in 1742.

The Huguenots who settled in Bolton in 17th century were the 2nd wave of Flemish immigrants to the town. The original ones arrived in 1330s. They are also credited with introducing clogs to Lancashire.
The Huguenot Flemish wore fustian, a rough cloth made of cotton and linen. (Wikipedia)
There is uncertainty about when the cotton industry began in Britain.
John Le'land's 1540 account mentions cotton around Bolton, but he may have meant wool. Cotton was being produced 100 years later. At this time Bolton was becoming a centre for the emerging cotton industry. It was a cottage industry.
 www.bolton.org.uk/industry.html
Adam Pendlebury mentions cotton in his will of 1608. This is one of the earliest mentions of cotton in England. See  A Brief History of Bolton (Manchester & Lancashire Family History Society)
www.bolton.mlfhs.org.uk/History.php
According to "Children and Cotton" on New Lanark website, bales of cotton first arived in Britain in 1775. (This is unsourced.)

See also:
 Spinning the Web - The Story of the Cotton Industry
www.spinningtheweb.org.uk
Follow the Yarn (website of Harris Museum, Preston)

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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 21 January 18 18:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for the info appreciate, really good stuff and very helpful !!!
Did Flemish of first (1300s) or second (1500-1600s) waves of immigration
have their own settlements or they lived among locals. Like here where I live
in Ohio we have German Villages here and there...I wonder if something like that
was in Bolton areas.

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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
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Re: Cotton Industry of Greater Manchester - Migrants from the South
« Reply #17 on: Monday 22 January 18 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to everyone for sharing info with me, appreciate !!! Truly great stuff !!! Kind regards, R