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Offline Lambendsor (aka IGS)

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Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« on: Sunday 21 January 18 14:03 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone help decipher the notes on this entry on the USBECK/SCHÖNHERR family from the 1860 Denmark Census, taken in Flensburg?

Here's a link to the page:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLC-9SGB-7?i=220&cc=2778655

And attached is the page itself.

My chief goal is to learn what was written to the right of "Schmiede". At the time, the newly-married Carl Schönherr was living and working in Haderslev.

[crossed out entry] Carl Heinrich Schönherr...?...[indecipherable]...[born in] ?...Schmiede...[indecipherable]   

Emilie Sophie [crossed out: Usbeck] Schönherr...22...[indecipherable]...[born in] Flensburg [indecipherable]

Carl Heinrich Schönherr....1...[indecipherable]
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 January 18 16:06 GMT (UK) »
The third column states the individual's marital status. It reads 'verh.' and below that 'verheirathet'

Emilie Sophie was 'seine Frau' = his wife

Carl Heinrich was 'beiden Sohn' = son of them both

The questions marks indicate that Carl Heinrich senior's age and birth place were unknown. The note in the right hand column reads something like 'Abwesend in Openrade' = absent in Openrade, I think.

Openrade was one of the German forms for the town of Aabenraa, a little to the north of Flensburg. Apenrade is the more common form.

I hope someone has better eyes.

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 January 18 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, JustinL - The "Apenrade" note is intriguing.

It's difficult to nail down this family: the elder Carl Schönherr (1834-1909, whose middle name was Gottlieb, not Heinrich) was from Kleinpelsen, Sachsen; his son Carl was born out-of-wedlock in Flensburg (Emilie's hometown) 01 Nov 1859, but when they married 26 Dec 1859 in Fredericia, Emilie was a resident of Fredericia, but Carl was living in Haderslev. Then young Carl was baptized in Flensburg 22 Jan 1860, and he's listed there with Emilie when the census was taken on 01 Feb 1860. But Emile, sans little Carl, was also enumerated with her parents down the street, and the elder Carl was still in Haderslev. And in the next 6 years Carl (when working on steamships) listed his residences as Noßen, Flensburg, and Bremerhaven.
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 January 18 16:53 GMT (UK) »
You've really had your work cut out with that wanderer.

Did they ever live together as a family? I wonder whether Emilie actually knew the whereabiouts of her husband half the time  ???

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 January 18 19:31 GMT (UK) »
I've wondered that, too. They had at least one other son, in 1862, but in 1866, after 21 trans-Atlantic trips, Carl didn't make the 22nd trip back, and by 1869 had started a new family in Missouri.
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 January 18 00:10 GMT (UK) »
The note after Schmied says " ist nicht hier zu notieren" That's the reason why it was crossed out. Not to register here, absent in  Openrade, as Justin says.

Regards Peonie

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #6 on: Monday 22 January 18 03:11 GMT (UK) »
Perfect - thanks very much!
ENDSOR: Tamworth/Manchester
LAMB: Leeds/Manchester
SMITH: Manchester
HOLMES: Kirk Ireton/Manchester
WORTHINGTON: Middleton/Manchester
SHORROCK: Manchester
BROOKS: Wilmslow/Knutsford
By marriage in Manchester: BAXENDALE, DODD, EYERS, FIRTH, FISHER, FO(R)STER, HARGREAVES, J(A/E)RVIS, McKEOWN, OSBALDESTON, PICKWELL, PODMORE, SCHOFIELD, SHALLCROSS, STONES, WALKER
GREY, DOYLE, GOLDEN, MONAHAN: Ireland
HAWE, FRENEY, NARY: Co. Kilkenny
DONOHO and variants: Co. Longford

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Re: Need help deciphering German notes on 1860 Denmark Census
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 January 18 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Well deciphered, Peonie. I could scarcely even see that bit of text  ::)